B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907


Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


robert netzlof
 

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From: "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@hellgatemodels.com>

B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907
https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/039674
72948 Look at the 4 digits visible on the end.

--
Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob


Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Thanks Bob, I'm sure you are better at this than I am! As a matter of fact, I'm sure everyone is better at this than I am!
 
Claus Schlund
 

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...>

> B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907

> https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/039674
 
72948 Look at the 4 digits visible on the end.

--
Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob






Eric Hansmann
 

I checked some ORER editions for B&O 72948. Here’s what I found.

 

1904 & 1905 ORERs – in a number series for gondolas
1907 ORER – in a boxcar number series
   - 2051 cu ft and 30 tons capy
    - 34-ft, 6-in inside length, 7-ft, 5-in inside height
    - 289 cars listed for the 72702–73031 number series

I do not know the class designation for this B&O boxcar.

B&O renumbered their freight car fleet about 1905. This is why the car number falls into a gondola series in the earlier ORER editions.

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 12:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907

 

Thanks Bob, I'm sure you are better at this than I am! As a matter of fact, I'm sure everyone is better at this than I am!

 

Claus Schlund

 

----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 12:42 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907

 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...>

> B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907

> https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/039674
 
72948 Look at the 4 digits visible on the end.

--
Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob





Kenneth Montero
 

Is the door missing on this car?

Is there some type of cribbing inside the doorway?

Ken Montero

On 06/23/2021 12:42 PM robert netzlof <rtnetzlof@windstream.net> wrote:


----- Original Message -----
From: "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@hellgatemodels.com>

B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907
https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/039674
72948 Look at the 4 digits visible on the end.

--
Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob



Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Ken and List Members,
 
Good catch, Ken, I had not noticed that. If loading coal into a boxcar, perhaps a door is optional and the opening will be covered over agian with cribbing after loading but before departure? Or perhaps only use the door on the other side?
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907

Is the door missing on this car?

Is there some type of cribbing inside the doorway?

Ken Montero






> On 06/23/2021 12:42 PM robert netzlof <rtnetzlof@...> wrote:
>

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...>
>
> > B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907
>
> > https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/039674

> 72948 Look at the 4 digits visible on the end.
>
> --
> Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob
>
>
>






Eric Lombard
 

Greetings, Everyone. Once again I am late to the party....

I would like to share some information you might find interesting. B&O 72948 belongs to their class M-8 of which 21,060 can be documented as built over 1896 - 1900.

#72948 Began life as a member of B&OS-W 15000-15750 built 1898 - c.1899.

Over 1903 - c.1906 those series were renumbered to B&O 70000-72699. These cars were stencilled as #72948 in the photo. What is hard to notice are white stipples beneath "Baltimore & Ohio" to the right of the door. That is a small font "B&OS-W" -- marginally more detectable in the attached photo of #71496 shared with me by both Ray Breyer and Eric Hundsman. The last of 70000-72699 in original configuration was retired in 1928; #71260. See footnote 1.

Beginning 1912, about 64% of the active M-8's were rebuilt with upgrades. Nearly all were renumbered. See footnote 2.

cheers,
Eric L


----------------------------
1. The B&O 1901-1907 renumbering--- The Safety Appliance Act of February 1893 required (among other things) that "enough"(!) freight cars in a train have air brakes so that the train could be stopped without use of hand brakes. Compliance by March 1898 was extended to March 1900. The act was amended in 1903 to require 50% of cars to have air brakes [3982, 5-6]. Renumbering the M-08 in combined B&O 38000-64399, combined B&OS-W 15000-17759, and P&W 16000-16249 into various series within 65000-89999 "may" correlate with installation of air brakes on those not already so equipped. Most certainly, clearing serials below 65000 for freight cars other than box cars and bringing the B&OS-W and P&W into the overall B&O numbering scheme were important correlates of the renumbering. I've not seen any documentation for this correlation. If you know of documentation I would very much like to hear from you.

2. Over 1912-1916 + 1917 & 1921 a minimum of 11,736+ M-8 were RBLT out of the 18,,300 still active in early 1912: 64%. Twenty were RBLT with steel underframes, M-08A, 1912-13. Over 11,200 M-08B were RBLT with steel center sills having a modest fishbelly 
shape, steel body and truck bolsters, and outside metal roofs on many, 1912-1916 +1917. Finally, 500 M-O8C were rebuilt by AFC 1921. If not already so modified, all cars are brought into compliance with the United States Safety Appliance Act to meet the original 1916 deadline for those requirements (later extended to 1920). Rebuilding occurred both at the B&O shops and the commercial builders ACF, BCF, RSC, SSC, and RCC.

image.png

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:05 AM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Eric and List Members,
 
Thanks Eric for the info.
 
Has anyone noticed the fact that the car in the image attached to Eric's original email is stencilled
 
BALTIMOMORE & OHIO
 
Now who is going to dare to model THAT?!?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907

Greetings, Everyone. Once again I am late to the party....

I would like to share some information you might find interesting. B&O 72948 belongs to their class M-8 of which 21,060 can be documented as built over 1896 - 1900.

#72948 Began life as a member of B&OS-W 15000-15750 built 1898 - c.1899.

Over 1903 - c.1906 those series were renumbered to B&O 70000-72699. These cars were stencilled as #72948 in the photo. What is hard to notice are white stipples beneath "Baltimore & Ohio" to the right of the door. That is a small font "B&OS-W" -- marginally more detectable in the attached photo of #71496 shared with me by both Ray Breyer and Eric Hundsman. The last of 70000-72699 in original configuration was retired in 1928; #71260. See footnote 1.

Beginning 1912, about 64% of the active M-8's were rebuilt with upgrades. Nearly all were renumbered. See footnote 2.

cheers,
Eric L


----------------------------
1. The B&O 1901-1907 renumbering--- The Safety Appliance Act of February 1893 required (among other things) that "enough"(!) freight cars in a train have air brakes so that the train could be stopped without use of hand brakes. Compliance by March 1898 was extended to March 1900. The act was amended in 1903 to require 50% of cars to have air brakes [3982, 5-6]. Renumbering the M-08 in combined B&O 38000-64399, combined B&OS-W 15000-17759, and P&W 16000-16249 into various series within 65000-89999 "may" correlate with installation of air brakes on those not already so equipped. Most certainly, clearing serials below 65000 for freight cars other than box cars and bringing the B&OS-W and P&W into the overall B&O numbering scheme were important correlates of the renumbering. I've not seen any documentation for this correlation. If you know of documentation I would very much like to hear from you.

2. Over 1912-1916 + 1917 & 1921 a minimum of 11,736+ M-8 were RBLT out of the 18,,300 still active in early 1912: 64%. Twenty were RBLT with steel underframes, M-08A, 1912-13. Over 11,200 M-08B were RBLT with steel center sills having a modest fishbelly 
shape, steel body and truck bolsters, and outside metal roofs on many, 1912-1916 +1917. Finally, 500 M-O8C were rebuilt by AFC 1921. If not already so modified, all cars are brought into compliance with the United States Safety Appliance Act to meet the original 1916 deadline for those requirements (later extended to 1920). Rebuilding occurred both at the B&O shops and the commercial builders ACF, BCF, RSC, SSC, and RCC.

image.png

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:05 AM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Eric Lombard
 

Ha-Ha! Never noticed that.

On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 2:45 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi Eric and List Members,
 
Thanks Eric for the info.
 
Has anyone noticed the fact that the car in the image attached to Eric's original email is stencilled
 
BALTIMOMORE & OHIO
 
Now who is going to dare to model THAT?!?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907

Greetings, Everyone. Once again I am late to the party....

I would like to share some information you might find interesting. B&O 72948 belongs to their class M-8 of which 21,060 can be documented as built over 1896 - 1900.

#72948 Began life as a member of B&OS-W 15000-15750 built 1898 - c.1899.

Over 1903 - c.1906 those series were renumbered to B&O 70000-72699. These cars were stencilled as #72948 in the photo. What is hard to notice are white stipples beneath "Baltimore & Ohio" to the right of the door. That is a small font "B&OS-W" -- marginally more detectable in the attached photo of #71496 shared with me by both Ray Breyer and Eric Hundsman. The last of 70000-72699 in original configuration was retired in 1928; #71260. See footnote 1.

Beginning 1912, about 64% of the active M-8's were rebuilt with upgrades. Nearly all were renumbered. See footnote 2.

cheers,
Eric L


----------------------------
1. The B&O 1901-1907 renumbering--- The Safety Appliance Act of February 1893 required (among other things) that "enough"(!) freight cars in a train have air brakes so that the train could be stopped without use of hand brakes. Compliance by March 1898 was extended to March 1900. The act was amended in 1903 to require 50% of cars to have air brakes [3982, 5-6]. Renumbering the M-08 in combined B&O 38000-64399, combined B&OS-W 15000-17759, and P&W 16000-16249 into various series within 65000-89999 "may" correlate with installation of air brakes on those not already so equipped. Most certainly, clearing serials below 65000 for freight cars other than box cars and bringing the B&OS-W and P&W into the overall B&O numbering scheme were important correlates of the renumbering. I've not seen any documentation for this correlation. If you know of documentation I would very much like to hear from you.

2. Over 1912-1916 + 1917 & 1921 a minimum of 11,736+ M-8 were RBLT out of the 18,,300 still active in early 1912: 64%. Twenty were RBLT with steel underframes, M-08A, 1912-13. Over 11,200 M-08B were RBLT with steel center sills having a modest fishbelly 
shape, steel body and truck bolsters, and outside metal roofs on many, 1912-1916 +1917. Finally, 500 M-O8C were rebuilt by AFC 1921. If not already so modified, all cars are brought into compliance with the United States Safety Appliance Act to meet the original 1916 deadline for those requirements (later extended to 1920). Rebuilding occurred both at the B&O shops and the commercial builders ACF, BCF, RSC, SSC, and RCC.

image.png

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:05 AM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
B&O ds trussrod boxcar (72448 maybe?) at Pittsburg and Fairmont Fuel Company WV in 1907
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund