Canadian Pacific Boxcar 230000 With Drop Doors


Bob Chaparro
 

Canadian Pacific Boxcar 230000 With Drop Doors

Photos from the Old Time Trains website:

http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_rolling/230000.jpg

http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_rolling/230000_drop_door.jpg

Description:

“230000 equipped with drop doors for grain loading. 60 ton 3098 cu.ft. built 7/1920 Fort William

Stencil wording below car number reads:

Assigned to special grain service only between Port Mc.Nicoll and West St.John.

NOTE: See 139002 (above) for 36 foot box similarly equipped and assigned. Also, 299690 (below) 40 foot double door.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Robert kirkham
 

230000 is one of four lots of cars, as follows:

the more obvious spotting features that differentiate these from regular USRA cars:
- the roof is a different design - on a model, it is substantially thicker.
- 7/8 murphy ends (rather than 5/5/5)
- grain hopper doors and variation in underframe

Rob 



On Jul 2, 2022, at 11:21 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Canadian Pacific Boxcar 230000 With Drop Doors
Photos from the Old Time Trains website:
Description:
“230000 equipped with drop doors for grain loading. 60 ton 3098 cu.ft. built 7/1920 Fort William
Stencil wording below car number reads:
Assigned to special grain service only between Port Mc.Nicoll and West St.John.
NOTE: See 139002 (above) for 36 foot box similarly equipped and assigned. Also, 299690 (below) 40 foot double door.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Tim O'Connor
 


Is this identical to the Tichy D&H box car (USRA converted to cement service) ?

On 7/2/2022 2:21 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Canadian Pacific Boxcar 230000 With Drop Doors

Photos from the Old Time Trains website:

http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_rolling/230000.jpg

http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_rolling/230000_drop_door.jpg

Description:

“230000 equipped with drop doors for grain loading. 60 ton 3098 cu.ft. built 7/1920 Fort William

Stencil wording below car number reads:

Assigned to special grain service only between Port Mc.Nicoll and West St.John.

NOTE: See 139002 (above) for 36 foot box similarly equipped and assigned. Also, 299690 (below) 40 foot double door.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Robert kirkham
 

Hi Tim,

I don’t know the D&H prototype, but if this Tichy model is what you’re thinking of, then the answer would be “not really”.    
 
Here are the differences i am quickly aware of:
- incorrect roof (mostly just too thin at the edge),
- roof hatches (not on the CPR car)
- this model has 5/5/5 eds, not the CPR 7/8 ends.
- should be a stem winder brake (there may have been a few cars converted to power brakes before the hoppers were removed, but I doubt it).
- different design of hoppers - CPR cars had a pair of hoppers centred at the doors.  Photos from one of the Railroad magazines of the 1920s show this:
 

Rob

On Jul 2, 2022, at 1:45 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Is this identical to the Tichy D&H box car (USRA converted to cement service) ?

On 7/2/2022 2:21 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:
Canadian Pacific Boxcar 230000 With Drop Doors
Photos from the Old Time Trains website:
Description:
“230000 equipped with drop doors for grain loading. 60 ton 3098 cu.ft. built 7/1920 Fort William
Stencil wording below car number reads:
Assigned to special grain service only between Port Mc.Nicoll and West St.John.
NOTE: See 139002 (above) for 36 foot box similarly equipped and assigned. Also, 299690 (below) 40 foot double door.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Tim O'Connor
 

Rob

Yep, that's the model I was thinking of. Ends and roofs are easily replaced, but it looks like the CP
 car has wider doors than the USRA box, so that pretty much changes the side geometry.


On 7/2/2022 6:06 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:
Hi Tim,

I don’t know the D&H prototype, but if this Tichy model is what you’re thinking of, then the answer would be “not really”.    
 
Here are the differences i am quickly aware of:
- incorrect roof (mostly just too thin at the edge),
- roof hatches (not on the CPR car)
- this model has 5/5/5 eds, not the CPR 7/8 ends.
- should be a stem winder brake (there may have been a few cars converted to power brakes before the hoppers were removed, but I doubt it).
- different design of hoppers - CPR cars had a pair of hoppers centred at the doors.  Photos from one of the Railroad magazines of the 1920s show this:

Rob

On Jul 2, 2022, at 1:45 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Is this identical to the Tichy D&H box car (USRA converted to cement service) ?

On 7/2/2022 2:21 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:
Canadian Pacific Boxcar 230000 With Drop Doors
Photos from the Old Time Trains website:
Description:
“230000 equipped with drop doors for grain loading. 60 ton 3098 cu.ft. built 7/1920 Fort William
Stencil wording below car number reads:
Assigned to special grain service only between Port Mc.Nicoll and West St.John.
NOTE: See 139002 (above) for 36 foot box similarly equipped and assigned. Also, 299690 (below) 40 foot double door.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Robert kirkham
 

I don’t think the doors are wider Tim; maybe just an illusion from the camera.  The CPR car had a 6’ door opening.  Drawings are available for downloading on the CPHA on line library if you want to do a detailed comparison.

Rob
  

On Jul 2, 2022, at 3:11 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Rob

Yep, that's the model I was thinking of. Ends and roofs are easily replaced, but it looks like the CP
 car has wider doors than the USRA box, so that pretty much changes the side geometry.


On 7/2/2022 6:06 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:
Hi Tim,

I don’t know the D&H prototype, but if this Tichy model is what you’re thinking of, then the answer would be “not really”.    
 
Here are the differences i am quickly aware of:
- incorrect roof (mostly just too thin at the edge),
- roof hatches (not on the CPR car)
- this model has 5/5/5 eds, not the CPR 7/8 ends.
- should be a stem winder brake (there may have been a few cars converted to power brakes before the hoppers were removed, but I doubt it).
- different design of hoppers - CPR cars had a pair of hoppers centred at the doors.  Photos from one of the Railroad magazines of the 1920s show this:

Rob

On Jul 2, 2022, at 1:45 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Is this identical to the Tichy D&H box car (USRA converted to cement service) ?

On 7/2/2022 2:21 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:
Canadian Pacific Boxcar 230000 With Drop Doors
Photos from the Old Time Trains website:
Description:
“230000 equipped with drop doors for grain loading. 60 ton 3098 cu.ft. built 7/1920 Fort William
Stencil wording below car number reads:
Assigned to special grain service only between Port Mc.Nicoll and West St.John.
NOTE: See 139002 (above) for 36 foot box similarly equipped and assigned. Also, 299690 (below) 40 foot double door.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Kenneth Montero
 

Would the Tichy CP Clone of the USRA single sheathed boxcar (kit no. 4034) be a better starting kit? The body of that kit has 7-8 ends.

Ken Montero

On 07/02/2022 4:45 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Is this identical to the Tichy D&H box car (USRA converted to cement service) ?

On 7/2/2022 2:21 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Canadian Pacific Boxcar 230000 With Drop Doors

Photos from the Old Time Trains website:

http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_rolling/230000.jpg

http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_rolling/230000_drop_door.jpg

Description:

“230000 equipped with drop doors for grain loading. 60 ton 3098 cu.ft. built 7/1920 Fort William

Stencil wording below car number reads:

Assigned to special grain service only between Port Mc.Nicoll and West St.John.

NOTE: See 139002 (above) for 36 foot box similarly equipped and assigned. Also, 299690 (below) 40 foot double door.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Benjamin Hom
 

Ken Montero asked:
"Would the Tichy CP Clone of the USRA single sheathed boxcar (kit no. 4034) be a better starting kit? The body of that kit has 7-8 ends."

It doesn't matter.  The Tichy kits are tooled with separate ends, and the 7/8 end is offered separately.


Ben Hom


Robert kirkham
 

For the CPR car, yes, the Tichy car with 7/8 ends is a reasonably good model (with the roof modification mentioned earlier).  Intermountain released the Tichy kit as ready to run for CPR a few years ago.  And Rapido will be coming out with this variant soon.

Rob

On Jul 2, 2022, at 10:58 PM, Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:

Would the Tichy CP Clone of the USRA single sheathed boxcar (kit no. 4034) be a better starting kit? The body of that kit has 7-8 ends.

Ken Montero
On 07/02/2022 4:45 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Is this identical to the Tichy D&H box car (USRA converted to cement service) ?

On 7/2/2022 2:21 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:
Canadian Pacific Boxcar 230000 With Drop Doors
Photos from the Old Time Trains website:
Description:
“230000 equipped with drop doors for grain loading. 60 ton 3098 cu.ft. built 7/1920 Fort William
Stencil wording below car number reads:
Assigned to special grain service only between Port Mc.Nicoll and West St.John.
NOTE: See 139002 (above) for 36 foot box similarly equipped and assigned. Also, 299690 (below) 40 foot double door.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts