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Correct Colors of a NKP Rebuilt Boxcar circa late 1940's
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Eric Thur
All,
My next kit to finally complete is Sunshine's 64.8 NKP 10'6" Rebuild with the opening end door. In checking the PDS photos, I only see cars painted a solid Freight car color, sides and ends. The sheet states that the cars were painted a Freight car Red/Brown Color with Black End's and Roof's. When doing an internet photo search, I find Solid colored Steam Era Boxcars, ones with Boxcar Red sides and Roof's with Black ends. Ones with just Black roofs, so I'm confused ? What would the correct color combination be for this model as rebuilt in 1948? Is the main color, Boxcar Red, Oxide Red or Mineral Brown? Thanks, Eric Thur |
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Eric: Generally when rebuilt these had black ends and roofs. Later repaints often but not always painted the ends the body color. Also, Sometimes just the seam caps were painted black (actually coated with asphaltum) and the panels were unpainted galvanized. The body color was a more on the red side. Not quite a pure oxide red. I haven't painted a NKP car recently so i have no good suggestions. The older Branchline postwar cars were pretty good. Some other models are brown and that isn't right for postwar. Unfortunately I don't have any fresh from the shops color pics. Two sister rebuilds attached from the NKPHTS archives, later in life. black ends on one, not sure on the other. 24807 appears to just have the seam caps covered in asphaltum. I'd model from photos as much as possible. Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 06:40:18 PM EST, erict1361@... <erict1361@...> wrote:
All, My next kit to finally complete is Sunshine's 64.8 NKP 10'6" Rebuild with the opening end door. In checking the PDS photos, I only see cars painted a solid Freight car color, sides and ends. The sheet states that the cars were painted a Freight car Red/Brown Color with Black End's and Roof's. When doing an internet photo search, I find Solid colored Steam Era Boxcars, ones with Boxcar Red sides and Roof's with Black ends. Ones with just Black roofs, so I'm confused ? What would the correct color combination be for this model as rebuilt in 1948? Is the main color, Boxcar Red, Oxide Red or Mineral Brown? Thanks, Eric Thur -- Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY |
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Jay Styron
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Ray Breyer
In GENERAL, the standard color for NKP boxcars was "brown sides, black everything else" from at least 1924 on. Lots of cars were delivered in all-brown paint at times (especially from Pullman, which never seemed to read NKP painting & lettering specs), or repainted all brown by shop crews, but the STANDARD was brown sides, black everything else. Galvanized roofs were often left bare, with or without painted seam caps (either brown or black). As to what shade of brown, that's up to individual tastes. The NKPHTS hasn't (yet) come across paint codes, and color photos are all over the place. "milk chocolate" is a good guess, especially if it slides into the red end of light brown. Oxide was used, but mostly on the ex-W&LE cars and 1960s-delivered 60-foot boxcars. The base brown sometimes chalked to a lighter shade, but usually darkened with layers of soot & road grime. I've attached photos. My favorite postwar NKP brown is seen on the images of NKP 27676. Ray Breyer Elgin, IL NKPHTS
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 06:48:42 PM CST, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:
Eric: Generally when rebuilt these had black ends and roofs. Later repaints often but not always painted the ends the body color. Also, Sometimes just the seam caps were painted black (actually coated with asphaltum) and the panels were unpainted galvanized. The body color was a more on the red side. Not quite a pure oxide red. I haven't painted a NKP car recently so i have no good suggestions. The older Branchline postwar cars were pretty good. Some other models are brown and that isn't right for postwar. Unfortunately I don't have any fresh from the shops color pics. Two sister rebuilds attached from the NKPHTS archives, later in life. black ends on one, not sure on the other. 24807 appears to just have the seam caps covered in asphaltum. I'd model from photos as much as possible. Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 06:40:18 PM EST, erict1361@... <erict1361@...> wrote:
All, My next kit to finally complete is Sunshine's 64.8 NKP 10'6" Rebuild with the opening end door. In checking the PDS photos, I only see cars painted a solid Freight car color, sides and ends. The sheet states that the cars were painted a Freight car Red/Brown Color with Black End's and Roof's. When doing an internet photo search, I find Solid colored Steam Era Boxcars, ones with Boxcar Red sides and Roof's with Black ends. Ones with just Black roofs, so I'm confused ? What would the correct color combination be for this model as rebuilt in 1948? Is the main color, Boxcar Red, Oxide Red or Mineral Brown? Thanks, Eric Thur -- Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY |
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Eric Thur
Thanks Brian and Ray. This really helps!
Eric |
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