Depressed Center Flat Car


Richard Stern
 

A neighbor gifted me this interesting depressed center flat car.  It has no markings.  Can anyone identify it and maybe provide a prototype photo?  I'm guessing it is too modern for my 1950's layout, but I'm hoping otherwise 


Brian Carlson
 

On Jul 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Richard Stern <rjs8@...> wrote:

A neighbor gifted me this interesting depressed center flat car.  It has no markings.  Can anyone identify it and maybe provide a prototype photo?  I'm guessing it is too modern for my 1950's layout, but I'm hoping otherwise 

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Benjamin Hom
 

Richard Stern wrote:
"A neighbor gifted me this interesting depressed center flat car.  It has no markings.  Can anyone identify it and maybe provide a prototype photo?  I'm guessing it is too modern for my 1950's layout, but I'm hoping otherwise."

Brian Carlson replied:
"Looks like the Walthers modern car.

Concur with Brian's assessment.  Most of my magazines are in storage so I can't verify this right away, but Mike Rose's "Modifying Walthers Depressed Center Flat Car" in the October 2007 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman might have more information.


Ben Hom


Seth Lakin
 

While I can’t comment on the built date for the prototype that Walthers chose to base their model on.

However the New York Central built their first 4-truck “transformer” car in 1949. These 58’4” cars were a little different from the model as the couplers were mounted to the same casting as the deck. Then there was a pivoting bolster that each pair of trucks were mounted on. 

The later and longer design which is very similar to the Walthers car that has the main deck casting, separate pivoting ends that the couplers are mounted to and then a span bolster for each pair of trucks was first built by the NYC in 1961. 

So while the car may be outside your target modeling era, at least one very similar prototype was built just outside your era. 

Ssth Lakin
Michigan City IN


Richard Stern
 


Tim O'Connor
 


Those NYC flat cars used solid cast frames from General Steel. There are no non-brass models
of them in HO scale larger than the 90 ton 'single pair of trucks cars' produced by Eastern Car Works
and Walthers. (They are different cars, thankfully.) The modern Walthers 4 truck flat car is a welded design
that appeared long after the STMFC era.

Tim O'Connor


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Todd Horton
 

What year were these NYC cars built?    Todd Horton 


On Jul 9, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Those NYC flat cars used solid cast frames from General Steel. There are no non-brass models
of them in HO scale larger than the 90 ton 'single pair of trucks cars' produced by Eastern Car Works
and Walthers. (They are different cars, thankfully.) The modern Walthers 4 truck flat car is a welded design
that appeared long after the STMFC era.

Tim O'Connor


On 7/9/2021 11:35 AM, Richard Stern wrote:
This looks pretty similar.  https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/073261/HO-Brass-Model-E-P-Associates-GSI-77-2-NYC-New-York-Central-Depressed-Center-Flatcar-w-Load-498986-Custom  

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


spsalso
 

While apparently a model of the same prototype, the car in the photo is not a Walthers product.  The detailing does not match.  The Walthers is the better model.

The prototype series is QTTX 130550-130556, built by Difco in 1991.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Tim O'Connor
 

On 7/9/2021 3:08 PM, Todd Horton via groups.io wrote:
What year were these NYC cars built?    Todd Horton 


On Jul 9, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Those NYC flat cars used solid cast frames from General Steel. There are no non-brass models
of them in HO scale larger than the 90 ton 'single pair of trucks cars' produced by Eastern Car Works
and Walthers. (They are different cars, thankfully.) The modern Walthers 4 truck flat car is a welded design
that appeared long after the STMFC era.

Tim O'Connor


On 7/9/2021 11:35 AM, Richard Stern wrote:
This looks pretty similar.  https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/073261/HO-Brass-Model-E-P-Associates-GSI-77-2-NYC-New-York-Central-Depressed-Center-Flatcar-w-Load-498986-Custom  


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts