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Essential freight cars in RMC

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Andy Miller wrote:

Tim,

I'm sorry you are so down on Easterners, but the "poll" was for resin cars
and I believe there are enough Pennsy fans alone to warrant a PRR car not
yet available except in brass.
1) I live in Mount Carmel PA.
2) I model the B&M.
3) The subject is "essential (sic.) freight cars." The K8 was not essential according to Ted Culotta's definition.
4) That there are enough SPF's to warrant a K8 model is irrelevant to the subject of the discussion.

Tim Gilbert
Doug Brown <brown194@...>
 

Reading this thread makes me wonder why BLI made the K7s. The same logic
should apply, strengthened by the fact that the K7 was unique to the
Pennsy.

Doug Brown

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Tim Gilbert
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Andy Miller wrote:

Tim,

I'm sorry you are so down on Easterners, but the "poll" was for resin
cars
and I believe there are enough Pennsy fans alone to warrant a PRR car
not
yet available except in brass.
1) I live in Mount Carmel PA.
2) I model the B&M.
3) The subject is "essential (sic.) freight cars." The K8 was not
essential according to Ted Culotta's definition.
4) That there are enough SPF's to warrant a K8 model is irrelevant to
the subject of the discussion.

Tim Gilbert





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Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Andy,

Martin Lofton already has the new masters for the X29B and X26C from
Frank Hodina on hand. Frank passed them to Martin prior to Martin's
California trip. They will be offered as flat kits, but he has not yet
poured the casting rubber for molds. If everyone on this list that has
an interest in getting Martin to put these cars out this year, then they
should drop him or Tricia Lofton a note requesting them.

It has taken me almost 6 years to convince him to reissue these cars
which had originally been Unibody kits. The Unibody kits was made up
of a C&BT body and Sunshine castings and underframe parts.
Unfortunately, you had a lot of work to do to build them and almost
everyone that I know who bought them, still hasn't built them.

So if you want the X29B and X26C, write or call Martin and ask him to
begin casting and releasing them!

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...

Andy Miller wrote:

If this is a poll, you have my vote. Hear, hear, K8s, K8s, K8s!

And how about X29Bs. There are rumors that F&C will do one this year. It
appears that C&BT is long forgotten.

regards,

Andy Miller

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Thomas M. Olsen
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 10:48 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Essential freight cars in RMC


It would be nice to see if we can get a resin kit maker such as Al
Westerfield or Martin Lofton to do the PRR K8 stock cars as a flat kit.
This was the last wood body car that the Penn had prior to their converting
the X31 box cars into steel stock cars. It was also almost as numerous as
the ubiquitous K7a's which Broadway Limited brought out recently.

I am sure if Al or Martin did the K8's that we would not have had the
problems that came with the BLI K7a's.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...

Richard Hendrickson wrote:



On Apr 22, 2005, at 11:16 AM, Clyde Williams wrote:




Is this a new poll? If so, how about a decent styrene 36' stock car,
open or solid ended, both would be better. As in other cars, the MDC
just doesn't cut it.
Bill Williams



Bill, AFAIK a 36' stock car in styrene isn't high on any manufacturer's
priority list for future production. However, resin kits ar ethe
subject ofTed's series in RMC, and Westerfield makes fine resin kits
for the SP/T&NO/NWP etc. 36' stock cars, which were the most numerous
cars of that type during the steam era, as well as for the MILW's 36'
stock cars, of which there were more than 3,000.

Other RRs that had large numbers of 36' stock cars were the Burlington
and the C&NW, and some day it would be nice to have resin kits for
those as well (the Q cars have been done in HO, but only in brass).

Richard Hendrickson





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Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Apr 26, 2005, at 12:52 AM, Thomas M. Olsen wrote:

Martin Lofton already has the new masters for the X29B and X26C from
Frank Hodina on hand. Frank passed them to Martin prior to Martin's
California trip. They will be offered as flat kits, but he has not yet
poured the casting rubber for molds. If everyone on this list that has
an interest in getting Martin to put these cars out this year, then they
should drop him or Tricia Lofton a note requesting them.

It has taken me almost 6 years to convince him to reissue these cars
which had originally been Unibody kits. The Unibody kits was made up
of a C&BT body and Sunshine castings and underframe parts.
Unfortunately, you had a lot of work to do to build them and almost
everyone that I know who bought them, still hasn't built them.

So if you want the X29B and X26C, write or call Martin and ask him to
begin casting and releasing them!
The X26C is imminent. I did artwork for decals and had an in-progress casting of a side that was used to confirm fit of the artwork to the model. I don't know anything about the X29B, and while I appreciate its value to many, its release is of little value to me as I can't use any. I'll say a prayer for the rest of you, though.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912
Chris Sawicki
 

List, Jim or Ted- is the referred to complete list posted somewhere.
I have searched the message archives and STMFC web page and could not
locate? TIA, Chris Sawicki

--- In STMFC@..., "Jim and Lisa Hayes"
<jimandlisa97225@v...> wrote:
For historical interest, here, minus the ones already covered, is
Ted's
original Essential Freight Cars list from 2 years ago.

9. ATSF Bx-11/-12/-13 SS box cars (Westerfield)
11. X29/'23 ARA and other derivatives (Red Caboose, Sunshine,
Yankee
Clipper/F&C)
12. 1932 ARA box car (Sunshine, Yankee Clipper)
13. 1937 AAR box car (IMWX, Red Caboose)
14. Mod. 1937 AAR box car (Intermountain, Sunshine)
15. MP Howe truss SS box cars (Sunshine)
16. Southern DS auto cars and 36' truss rod uframe cars (Sunshine
and
Westerfield, respectively)
17. Wabash SS auto cars (Funaro)
18. ARA SS cars - B&M, SAL B-3/-4/-5 (Funaro on B&M and Funaro? on
SAL)
19. Anthracite theme - DL&W ARA DS cars and LV 'wrong way' cars
(Sunshine
and Funaro)
20. PRR X31 et al (Bowser, Central Hobbies, Sunshine)
21. Milw ribbed side and B&O wagontops (plus sidebar on PRR X37 -
all
Sunshine or Central Hobbies on Wagontop)
22. PRR GS gons and derivatives and NYC USRA type rebuilt or built
new
steel gons (Sunshine and Funaro)
24. SFRD 'ARA' and 'USRA' type rebuilt reefers (Sunshine and
Intermountain)
27. NYC USRA design steel box cars (Westerfield)
30. ATSF box car rebuilds (non-USRA - Sunshine mini kit)
32. ACL 40' steel furniture cars (who will make this?)

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

I remember the article in (I think) RMJ several years ago. The
underframe for the X29B looked good. The problem was that the doors
on the C&BT body were too small and had to be enlarged somewhat to
represent the prototype's 7 footers. Seems that if someone has the
Sunshine kit, a good way to go would be to get a Branchline X43 or
undec 7'door kit and use it. Would save you a lot of time and work.

Phil Buchwald

--- In STMFC@..., "Thomas M. Olsen" <tmolsen@U...> wrote:
The Unibody kits was made up
of a C&BT body and Sunshine castings and underframe parts.
Unfortunately, you had a lot of work to do to build them and
almost
everyone that I know who bought them, still hasn't built them.

So if you want the X29B and X26C, write or call Martin and ask him
to
begin casting and releasing them!

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@u...

Andy Miller wrote:

If this is a poll, you have my vote. Hear, hear, K8s, K8s, K8s!

And how about X29Bs. There are rumors that F&C will do one this
year. It
appears that C&BT is long forgotten.

regards,

Andy Miller

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Behalf Of
Thomas M. Olsen
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 10:48 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Essential freight cars in RMC


It would be nice to see if we can get a resin kit maker such as Al
Westerfield or Martin Lofton to do the PRR K8 stock cars as a
flat kit.
This was the last wood body car that the Penn had prior to their
converting
the X31 box cars into steel stock cars. It was also almost as
numerous as
the ubiquitous K7a's which Broadway Limited brought out recently.

I am sure if Al or Martin did the K8's that we would not have had
the
problems that came with the BLI K7a's.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@u...

Richard Hendrickson wrote:



On Apr 22, 2005, at 11:16 AM, Clyde Williams wrote:




Is this a new poll? If so, how about a decent styrene 36' stock
car,
open or solid ended, both would be better. As in other cars,
the MDC
just doesn't cut it.
Bill Williams



Bill, AFAIK a 36' stock car in styrene isn't high on any
manufacturer's
priority list for future production. However, resin kits ar
ethe
subject ofTed's series in RMC, and Westerfield makes fine resin
kits
for the SP/T&NO/NWP etc. 36' stock cars, which were the most
numerous
cars of that type during the steam era, as well as for the
MILW's 36'
stock cars, of which there were more than 3,000.

Other RRs that had large numbers of 36' stock cars were the
Burlington
and the C&NW, and some day it would be nice to have resin kits
for
those as well (the Q cars have been done in HO, but only in
brass).

Richard Hendrickson





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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Phil Buchwald wrote:
I remember the article in (I think) RMJ several years ago. The
underframe for the X29B looked good. The problem was that the doors
on the C&BT body were too small and had to be enlarged somewhat to
represent the prototype's 7 footers.
Odd, as CB&T made a 7-ft. door too. I have some.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

Yes... I did an X26c and used up some "junk" to build it (I'm
cheap!). It started as an Accurail 40' box car and I replaced the
doors with some C&BT Youngstown doors. They looked just fine. But on
the X29b that they built for the magazine article, they widened the
door with some strip. Personally, I wouldn't know the
difference, "seven feet" refers to the door opening, not the width of
the door panel, right? I guess that I could go back and measure those
cars some more.

Regards,
Phil Buchwald

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@s...> wrote:
Phil Buchwald wrote:
I remember the article in (I think) RMJ several years ago. The
underframe for the X29B looked good. The problem was that the doors
on the C&BT body were too small and had to be enlarged somewhat to
represent the prototype's 7 footers.
Odd, as CB&T made a 7-ft. door too. I have some.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@s...
Publishers of books on railroad history
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