F&C AC&F Mathieson Dry Ice Car


Ed Hawkins
 



On May 15, 2022, at 10:26 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Given the SHPX markings on the early kit, is it reasonable to think the that car was built by AC&F?

Bruce,
Following is a list of ACF dry ice cars built with sides in which the upper part are sloped. Build dates range from 1935 to 1946. Several prior orders built from 1932 to 1935 had straight sides. In the list the 4-digit ACF lot no. is followed by the reporting marks, car no. series, quantity built, and build date. As the roster denotes, there were relatively few cars of this type built by ACF with all 38 built at the Chicago plant.

1409 - LCIX 1006-1010, 5, 5-35
1487 - MALX 5016-5017, 2, 5-36
1643 - MAWX 5018-5019, 2, 5-37
1681 - MAWX 5020, 1, 1937 (month unknown)
1801 - MAWX 5021-5023, 3, 4-38
2206 - MAWX 5024-5027, 4, 5-41
2427 - MAWX 5028-5032, 6, 4-42
2828 - SHPX 1500-1514, 15, 3-46 (leased to Mathieson) 

Painting specs for all cars: aluminum superstructure; black underframe, grabs, hand brake, brake rigging, and trucks. Stencils for the LCIX cars were green & vermillion. Stencils were black for MALX, MAWX, SHPX. Incidentally, these cars were not all of the same exact design. ACF drawings denote the same general arrg’t drawing applied to lots 1487, 1643, and 1681. A difference g/a drawing applied to lots 2206, 2427, and 2828. Lots 1409 and 1801 both had a g/a drawing unique to each lot number. In addition are 4 g/a drawings for dry ice cars with straight sides for MALX and LCIX. Four brake arrg’t drawings cover one lot with straight sides and three that apply to all 8 lots with sloped sides. 

The National Museum of Transportation has these g/a and b/a drawings plus numerous detail parts these cars. 

Contact me OFF-LIST if interested in obtaining a PDF of the available drawings. While I can provide the drawing list, the NMOT processes the orders.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins









Bruce Smith
 

Ed, Folks,

Thanks!  Interestingly, the decal sheet with the early version of the F&C kit has decals for MAWX 5035. There are three sets of data, but no additional numbers to allow for numbering in the series posted below. That is, with one extra 5035, there are not enough duplicate numbers to number the car sides anything but 5035 without looking for additional decals. It does have car end decals for MAWX 5030, 5033, and 5035. The car # pictured in in the instructions is 5032, but there are no decals for that car number in the kit.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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On May 15, 2022, at 10:26 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Given the SHPX markings on the early kit, is it reasonable to think the that car was built by AC&F?

Bruce,
Following is a list of ACF dry ice cars built with sides in which the upper part are sloped. Build dates range from 1935 to 1946. Several prior orders built from 1932 to 1935 had straight sides. In the list the 4-digit ACF lot no. is followed by the reporting marks, car no. series, quantity built, and build date. As the roster denotes, there were relatively few cars of this type built by ACF with all 38 built at the Chicago plant.

1409 - LCIX 1006-1010, 5, 5-35
1487 - MALX 5016-5017, 2, 5-36
1643 - MAWX 5018-5019, 2, 5-37
1681 - MAWX 5020, 1, 1937 (month unknown)
1801 - MAWX 5021-5023, 3, 4-38
2206 - MAWX 5024-5027, 4, 5-41
2427 - MAWX 5028-5032, 6, 4-42
2828 - SHPX 1500-1514, 15, 3-46 (leased to Mathieson) 

Painting specs for all cars: aluminum superstructure; black underframe, grabs, hand brake, brake rigging, and trucks. Stencils for the LCIX cars were green & vermillion. Stencils were black for MALX, MAWX, SHPX. Incidentally, these cars were not all of the same exact design. ACF drawings denote the same general arrg’t drawing applied to lots 1487, 1643, and 1681. A difference g/a drawing applied to lots 2206, 2427, and 2828. Lots 1409 and 1801 both had a g/a drawing unique to each lot number. In addition are 4 g/a drawings for dry ice cars with straight sides for MALX and LCIX. Four brake arrg’t drawings cover one lot with straight sides and three that apply to all 8 lots with sloped sides. 

The National Museum of Transportation has these g/a and b/a drawings plus numerous detail parts these cars. 

Contact me OFF-LIST if interested in obtaining a PDF of the available drawings. While I can provide the drawing list, the NMOT processes the orders.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins









Ed Hawkins
 



On May 17, 2022, at 9:51 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Thanks!  Interestingly, the decal sheet with the early version of the F&C kit has decals for MAWX 5035. There are three sets of data, but no additional numbers to allow for numbering in the series posted below. That is, with one extra 5035, there are not enough duplicate numbers to number the car sides anything but 5035 without looking for additional decals. It does have car end decals for MAWX 5030, 5033, and 5035. The car # pictured in in the instructions is 5032, but there are no decals for that car number in the kit.

Bruce,
The 25 MAWX 5034-5058 dry ice cars built 10-47 by Despatch Shops, Inc., were similar to conventional steel refrigerator cars from an overall outward appearance to include roof hatches at each corner. The side swing doors with 8 hinges (4 per door) were significantly different than the various hinges used by PFE, URTX, ART, and many others. The rotating part of the hinges attached to the doors were long, narrow steel plate that extended horizontally from the door edge to nearly the center. Bob’s Photo has a photo of MAWX 5049 taken in July 1952 & Arnold Menke’s collection has MAWX 5040 taken ca. 1954.

I’ll also use this message to note a  fat-finger typo on my previous reply in which the 6-car series for ACF lot 2427 should be MAWX 5028-5033, built 4-42.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins





Tim O'Connor
 


Any ideas who built this one?


On 5/18/2022 12:57 AM, Ed Hawkins wrote:

On May 17, 2022, at 9:51 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Thanks!  Interestingly, the decal sheet with the early version of the F&C kit has decals for MAWX 5035. There are three sets of data, but no additional numbers to allow for numbering in the series posted below. That is, with one extra 5035, there are not enough duplicate numbers to number the car sides anything but 5035 without looking for additional decals. It does have car end decals for MAWX 5030, 5033, and 5035. The car # pictured in in the instructions is 5032, but there are no decals for that car number in the kit.

Bruce,
The 25 MAWX 5034-5058 dry ice cars built 10-47 by Despatch Shops, Inc., were similar to conventional steel refrigerator cars from an overall outward appearance to include roof hatches at each corner. The side swing doors with 8 hinges (4 per door) were significantly different than the various hinges used by PFE, URTX, ART, and many others. The rotating part of the hinges attached to the doors were long, narrow steel plate that extended horizontally from the door edge to nearly the center. Bob’s Photo has a photo of MAWX 5049 taken in July 1952 & Arnold Menke’s collection has MAWX 5040 taken ca. 1954.

I’ll also use this message to note a  fat-finger typo on my previous reply in which the 6-car series for ACF lot 2427 should be MAWX 5028-5033, built 4-42.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts