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Flat Black


Denny Anspach
 

Now that Testor’s (ModelMaster) have apparently left the hobby market (joining with MTH next April), what have listers been choosing for their solvent based paints, particularly flat black.  The Tamiya is excellent, but also the very flattest of any flat black imaginable. I have some Floquil left, but it is from the end of production, it never drys, and is -hesitantly- headed for the trash.

Denny
  
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864




Tony Thompson
 

Denny Anspach wrote:

Now that Testor’s (ModelMaster) have apparently left the hobby market (joining with MTH next April), what have listers been choosing for their solvent based paints, particularly flat black.  The Tamiya is excellent, but also the very flattest of any flat black imaginable. I have some Floquil left, but it is from the end of production, it never drys, and is -hesitantly- headed for the trash.

    You can still buy Scalecoat, or the Star Brand paint from PBL is very dependable. I find myself using it  more and more.

Tony Thompson




Jack Burgess
 

Denny….

 

I have not heard that Testor’s was leaving…thanks for mentioning that fact. (Who/what is MTH?) I still have a dozen unopened Floquil bottles left so I just ordered another bottle of Testor’s paint thinner for them. Hopefully, I’ll run out of Floquil paint just after I build the last YV model on my list and those 45+ resin kits…

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Denny Anspach
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 1:22 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black

 

Now that Testor’s (ModelMaster) have apparently left the hobby market (joining with MTH next April), what have listers been choosing for their solvent based paints, particularly flat black.  The Tamiya is excellent, but also the very flattest of any flat black imaginable. I have some Floquil left, but it is from the end of production, it never drys, and is -hesitantly- headed for the trash.

 

Denny

  

Denny S. Anspach, MD

Sacramento, CA 95864

 

 

 


Robert J Miller CFA
 

You can still find Floquil on e-Bay, but it can get pricey.


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Denny….

 

I have not heard that Testor’s was leaving…thanks for mentioning that fact. (Who/what is MTH?) I still have a dozen unopened Floquil bottles left so I just ordered another bottle of Testor’s paint thinner for them. Hopefully, I’ll run out of Floquil paint just after I build the last YV model on my list and those 45+ resin kits…

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Denny Anspach
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 1:22 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black

 

Now that Testor’s (ModelMaster) have apparently left the hobby market (joining with MTH next April), what have listers been choosing for their solvent based paints, particularly flat black.  The Tamiya is excellent, but also the very flattest of any flat black imaginable. I have some Floquil left, but it is from the end of production, it never drys, and is -hesitantly- headed for the trash.

 

Denny

  

Denny S. Anspach, MD

Sacramento, CA 95864

 

 

 


Andy Miller
 

Tony,

 

Who is PBL ?   The only Star brand paint I  can find on the internet is an African company making house paint!

 

Regards,

 

Andy Miller

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 4:41 PM
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Denny Anspach wrote:



Now that Testor’s (ModelMaster) have apparently left the hobby market (joining with MTH next April), what have listers been choosing for their solvent based paints, particularly flat black.  The Tamiya is excellent, but also the very flattest of any flat black imaginable. I have some Floquil left, but it is from the end of production, it never drys, and is -hesitantly- headed for the trash.

 

    You can still buy Scalecoat, or the Star Brand paint from PBL is very dependable. I find myself using it  more and more.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Tony Thompson
 

Originally it stood for Peter Built Locomotives (proprietor Bill Peter), in Ukiah, CA. Google Star Brand paint.
Tony Thompson 


On Aug 31, 2020, at 2:38 PM, Andy Miller <aslmmiller@...> wrote:



Tony,

 

Who is PBL ?   The only Star brand paint I  can find on the internet is an African company making house paint!

 

Regards,

 

Andy Miller

 

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Denny Anspach wrote:



Now that Testor’s (ModelMaster) have apparently left the hobby market (joining with MTH next April), what have listers been choosing for their solvent based paints, particularly flat black.  The Tamiya is excellent, but also the very flattest of any flat black imaginable. I have some Floquil left, but it is from the end of production, it never drys, and is -hesitantly- headed for the trash.

 

    You can still buy Scalecoat, or the Star Brand paint from PBL is very dependable. I find myself using it  more and more.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Jon Miller
 

    This shop buys and sells Floquil.

http://www.narrowgaugemodeling.com/floquil-paint/

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Tony Thompson
 

Who is PBL ?   The only Star brand paint I  can find on the internet is an African company making house paint!

  Try P-B-L or use this link: https://www.p-b-l.com/catalog/cfm/catalog.cfm

Tony Thompson




Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Denny,
 
like Scalecoat I, which I’ve getting either from Walthers or directly from Minutemen.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Denny Anspach
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black
 
Now that Testor’s (ModelMaster) have apparently left the hobby market (joining with MTH next April), what have listers been choosing for their solvent based paints, particularly flat black.  The Tamiya is excellent, but also the very flattest of any flat black imaginable. I have some Floquil left, but it is from the end of production, it never drys, and is -hesitantly- headed for the trash.
 
Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864
 
 
 


Todd Sullivan
 

Denny,

Tamiya also has a semi-gloss black in bottles and rattle cans.  It turns out to be a good match for some factory-painted models in terms of luster (e.g., P2K steam locos).

Todd Sullivan


Todd Sullivan
 

Jack -

MTH is Mike's Train House, a head-to-head competitor to Lionel in the tinplate realm which got into HO scale maybe a decade ago with interesting offerings such as SP AC-5 Cab Forwards, a slew of NYC Mohawks, and their own proprietary digital + sound system.  

Todd Sullivan
whose brother worked at Lionel at one point


Jack Burgess
 

Try..

 

https://www.p-b-l.com/

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy Miller
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 2:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black

 

Tony,

 

Who is PBL ?   The only Star brand paint I  can find on the internet is an African company making house paint!

 

Regards,

 

Andy Miller

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 4:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black

 

Denny Anspach wrote:

 

Now that Testor’s (ModelMaster) have apparently left the hobby market (joining with MTH next April), what have listers been choosing for their solvent based paints, particularly flat black.  The Tamiya is excellent, but also the very flattest of any flat black imaginable. I have some Floquil left, but it is from the end of production, it never drys, and is -hesitantly- headed for the trash.

 

    You can still buy Scalecoat, or the Star Brand paint from PBL is very dependable. I find myself using it  more and more.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Todd Sullivan
 

Or try here ...

https://www.p-b-l.com/pdfs/Painting_&_Weathering_with_Star_Brand_Paints_150dpi.pdf

They also import Sn3 locos and equipment, and have a line of detail parts.

Todd Sullivan


Ken Adams
 

And Tamiya's Matte Black is good if you do  not need to add decals. Just used some yesterday.
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Jon Miller
 

On 9/1/2020 10:14 AM, Ken Adams wrote:
And Tamiya's Matte Black

 And there's a place on eBay that sells Tamiya's lacquer (flat black among others).  Appears to be real lacquer as I have added from my gallon of lacquer thinner and it didn't gel, just thins down.  Never have seen it in the US.  I have ordered and got half a dozen containers.  It's not cheap.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tamiya-Lacquer-Paint-Gloss-82101-82180-LP-1-to-LP-80-10ml-multiple-choice/373084232133?hash=item56dd8d99c5:g:sG4AAOSw76hefAn5

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Nelson Moyer
 

Check Hobbylinc for Tamiya paints. I just bought 12 cans of Tamiya Fine Light Gray Primer, and they discount Tamiya products 20%.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 12:29 PM
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On 9/1/2020 10:14 AM, Ken Adams wrote:

And Tamiya's Matte Black

 And there's a place on eBay that sells Tamiya's lacquer (flat black among others).  Appears to be real lacquer as I have added from my gallon of lacquer thinner and it didn't gel, just thins down.  Never have seen it in the US.  I have ordered and got half a dozen containers.  It's not cheap.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tamiya-Lacquer-Paint-Gloss-82101-82180-LP-1-to-LP-80-10ml-multiple-choice/373084232133?hash=item56dd8d99c5:g:sG4AAOSw76hefAn5

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


John Sykes III
 

For dead flat black paint, believe it or not, I have been using Krylon Black Primer/Ultra-Flat.  Rattle can only, but it is as black as the monolith!  It dries very fast (usually <10 min) and shrinks a bit too, so if you put it on a little heavy, wait until it dries, all may not be lost (as long as you don't have sags or runs).

For black where decals need to be added, I use either ScaleCoat I or II (depending on whether the model is metal or plastic).  By the way, I use standard lacquer thinner with the ScaleCoat I and put it in a 200° oven for about 1/2 hour or so to dry.  Comes out looking like a new Steinway piano!

-- John


Mont Switzer
 

I learned the hard way to always use Scalecoat II thinner with Scalecoat II paint.  Mont Switzer


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For dead flat black paint, believe it or not, I have been using Krylon Black Primer/Ultra-Flat.  Rattle can only, but it is as black as the monolith!  It dries very fast (usually <10 min) and shrinks a bit too, so if you put it on a little heavy, wait until it dries, all may not be lost (as long as you don't have sags or runs).

For black where decals need to be added, I use either ScaleCoat I or II (depending on whether the model is metal or plastic).  By the way, I use standard lacquer thinner with the ScaleCoat I and put it in a 200° oven for about 1/2 hour or so to dry.  Comes out looking like a new Steinway piano!

-- John


John Sykes III
 

Mont:

I use standard paint thinner (a/k/a mineral spirits, a/k/a Stoddard solvent) with SCII (I do not use the low-odor paint thinner).

SCI is a whole different problem.  Since DioSol has gone the way of the dinosaurs, you have lacquer thinner (do not use the junk they sell as HD or Lowes, go to a good paint store and get the "hot" automotive lacquer thinner), and Steve Hoxie uses xylenes (a/k/a xylol).  I've tried the xylenes and it works well but is more expensive than the lacquer thinner (I get my LT at Sherwin Williams).  The junk they sell at HD, Lowes and Ace is only good for cleaning brushes, spills, etc.

If you are in California, getting these solvents may be a problem, so drive over to Nevada.  ScaleCoat paints (both I & II) require a high-VOC thinner to work properly.  I think the latest can I got was like 800 g/L VOCs (would give a California tree-hugger a stroke!).

-- John


Tony Thompson
 

John Sykes wrote:

SCI is a whole different problem.  Since DioSol has gone the way of the dinosaurs, you have lacquer thinner (do not use the junk they sell as HD or Lowes, go to a good paint store and get the "hot" automotive lacquer thinner), and Steve Hoxie uses xylenes (a/k/a xylol).  I've tried the xylenes and it works well but is more expensive than the lacquer thinner (I get my LT at Sherwin Williams).  The junk they sell at HD, Lowes and Ace is only good for cleaning brushes, spills, etc.

If you are in California, getting these solvents may be a problem, so drive over to Nevada.  

     Good "professional" paint stores have all this stuff in California. The "Big Box" boys don't want to do the paperwork, but it can certainly be sold here.
      Incidentally, as John knows, there is no unique entity "paint thinner." A wide variety of formulations have been and still are so marketed. Mineral sports usually dominate, but lots of other things, such as turpentine, naphtha, toluene and MEK may also be present. And for those not familiar, "VOC" stands for Volatile Organic Compounds."

Tony Thompson
Berkeley, CA