Freight Shipped In Wooden Barrels


Ljack70117@...
 

You see you did not read my post right. You just want to insult me. I ask what the box factories back there used to make boxes out of.
I KNOW WHAT THEY USED AT THE IN HUTCHINSON KS. Having never knowingly seen one made back there I do not know what they use and wanted to know.

Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
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I have most of it left

On Sep 15, 2007, at 3:19 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

--- Larry Jackman wrote:

What did these box factories make their boxes out of????
================================


I'm kind of shocked that you had not worked in a box factory, Larry.
Come to think of it, that seems to be one job you haven't mentioned
here over the last few years. <grin>

As I noted in my post:
Many glass products were also shipped in wooden barrels and boxes.

In researching the West Virginia glass industry, I find many
plants had a box factory as part of their operation or located very
close by. These box factories made products of the wooden variety in
the pre-WWII period. Many of the larger plants converted to
corrugated cardboard box plants after WWII. < <

Wood for boxes often was shipped from saw mills. It was not #1
material, but rough cut smaller dimensional material shipped in
boxcars. Smaller stock would not be shipped using gondolas or flats.
Box factories often had additional saws to cut the lumber to the
necessary sizes. I would suspect the wood came from the closest
source.

Corrugated cardboard box plants would receive rolls of heavy kraft
paper stock to manufacture the cardboard. Larger plants would receive
the paper rolls in boxcars.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.




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Eric Hansmann
 

--- Larry Jackman wrote:

What did these box factories make their boxes out of????
================================


I'm kind of shocked that you had not worked in a box factory, Larry.
Come to think of it, that seems to be one job you haven't mentioned
here over the last few years. <grin>

As I noted in my post:
Many glass products were also shipped in wooden barrels and boxes.

In researching the West Virginia glass industry, I find many
plants had a box factory as part of their operation or located very
close by. These box factories made products of the wooden variety in
the pre-WWII period. Many of the larger plants converted to
corrugated cardboard box plants after WWII. < <

Wood for boxes often was shipped from saw mills. It was not #1
material, but rough cut smaller dimensional material shipped in
boxcars. Smaller stock would not be shipped using gondolas or flats.
Box factories often had additional saws to cut the lumber to the
necessary sizes. I would suspect the wood came from the closest
source.

Corrugated cardboard box plants would receive rolls of heavy kraft
paper stock to manufacture the cardboard. Larger plants would receive
the paper rolls in boxcars.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.


Ljack70117@...
 

What did these box factories make their boxes out of????
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left

On Sep 15, 2007, at 1:22 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

Bob Chaparro wrote:

As we all know, in the earlier days of railroading before specialized freight cars, many items
were shipped in boxcars. And before the common use of steel drums, bags and cardboard
containers, many items, I'm told, were shipped in wooden barrels.

I can think of items like wine, cement, nails and other hardware being shipped in barrels but
I'm wondering what else was commonly shipped by rail in barrels?

==============================================


Many glass products were also shipped in wooden barrels and boxes.

In researching the West Virginia glass industry, I find many plants had a box factory as part
of their operation or located very close by. These box factories made products of the wooden
variety in the pre-WWII period. Many of the larger plants converted to corrugated cardboard box
plants after WWII. I have seen several Grief Brothers box factories noted on fire insurance
maps and in shippers guides. While there were some window glass plants in West Virginia, many
tableware factories dotted the industrial landscape here. Some of the final product may have
also been shipped in wooden barrels.

Another small factory is seen in a few instances. The Sanborn Fire Insurance maps for
Moundsville, WV, illustrates the Fostoria Glass factory operation quite well. Just up the short
B&O branch was an excelsior plant. Excelsior was a shredded wood product used as packing
material in many boxes and barrels.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.





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Eric Hansmann
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

As we all know, in the earlier days of railroading before specialized freight cars, many items
were shipped in boxcars. And before the common use of steel drums, bags and cardboard
containers, many items, I'm told, were shipped in wooden barrels.

I can think of items like wine, cement, nails and other hardware being shipped in barrels but
I'm wondering what else was commonly shipped by rail in barrels?

==============================================


Many glass products were also shipped in wooden barrels and boxes.

In researching the West Virginia glass industry, I find many plants had a box factory as part
of their operation or located very close by. These box factories made products of the wooden
variety in the pre-WWII period. Many of the larger plants converted to corrugated cardboard box
plants after WWII. I have seen several Grief Brothers box factories noted on fire insurance
maps and in shippers guides. While there were some window glass plants in West Virginia, many
tableware factories dotted the industrial landscape here. Some of the final product may have
also been shipped in wooden barrels.

Another small factory is seen in a few instances. The Sanborn Fire Insurance maps for
Moundsville, WV, illustrates the Fostoria Glass factory operation quite well. Just up the short
B&O branch was an excelsior plant. Excelsior was a shredded wood product used as packing
material in many boxes and barrels.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.


Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I have a cask/keg/barrel of nails, in the pump house, I bought in the mid '70s.

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Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

At 08:43 9/15/2007, Larry J wrote:
Like to point out nails were not shipped in
barrels. They were shipped in kegs.
True... but I think we're all in violent agreement:
<http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/keg>
keg
–noun 1. a small cask or barrel

nb. My daughter is an expert on Kegs: She graduated from CSU Chico.

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Bob,

I have heard of dressed poultry being loaded in barrels and loaded into iced reefers.

Ted

At 12:17 PM 9/14/2007, you wrote:

As we all know, in the earlier days of railroading before specialized
freight cars, many items were shipped in boxcars. And before the
common use of steel drums, bags and cardboard containers, many items,
I'm told, were shipped in wooden barrels.

I can think of items like wine, cement, nails and other hardware being
shipped in barrels but I'm wondering what else was commonly shipped by
rail in barrels?

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA





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Ljack70117@...
 

Like to point out nails were not shipped in barrels. They were ships in kegs.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left

On Sep 15, 2007, at 10:33 AM, Kurt Laughlin wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Chaparro

As we all know, in the earlier days of railroading before specialized
freight cars, many items were shipped in boxcars. And before the
common use of steel drums, bags and cardboard containers, many items,
I'm told, were shipped in wooden barrels.

I can think of items like wine, cement, nails and other hardware being
shipped in barrels but I'm wondering what else was commonly shipped by
rail in barrels?

----- Original Message -----

Any kind of breakable item like glassware, pottery, and china was packed
into barrels with excelsior and sawdust.

KL




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Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Chaparro

As we all know, in the earlier days of railroading before specialized
freight cars, many items were shipped in boxcars. And before the
common use of steel drums, bags and cardboard containers, many items,
I'm told, were shipped in wooden barrels.

I can think of items like wine, cement, nails and other hardware being
shipped in barrels but I'm wondering what else was commonly shipped by
rail in barrels?

----- Original Message -----

Any kind of breakable item like glassware, pottery, and china was packed into barrels with excelsior and sawdust.

KL


Bike Guy
 

Depends on how early a time but look at a period western. All food stuffs,
flour, salt, apples, etc. I still have apple barrels in the barn.

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Bob
Chaparro
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:18 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Freight Shipped In Wooden Barrels



As we all know, in the earlier days of railroading before specialized
freight cars, many items were shipped in boxcars. And before the
common use of steel drums, bags and cardboard containers, many items,
I'm told, were shipped in wooden barrels.

I can think of items like wine, cement, nails and other hardware being
shipped in barrels but I'm wondering what else was commonly shipped by
rail in barrels?

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Charles Hladik
 

Tony,
Nope, the "ole cracker barrel" is not a myth. Not to be confused with
the "new Cracker Barrel" where people still sit around and discuss freight cars.
Chuck Hladik



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Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

As pretty much standard equipment Santa Fe depots had something that
resembled a ladder with metal rungs, but with some missing. Its
purpose was to assist in unloading barrels from freight cars. This
information came from a retired depot agent and her clerk. Sometimes
this device was hung on a depot wall, although fire ladders were also
sometimes hung on depot walls.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Chuck Hladik wrote:
I know for a fact that flour and crackers were shipped in wooden barrels.
You mean . . . the "ol' cracker barrel" isn't mythical? <g>

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Charles Morrill
 

In the days before fork lifts and such, one man could easily move a loaded barrel around by hand that if the same weight were in a crate, he would not be able to budge.
Charlie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert" <riverob@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Freight Shipped In Wooden Barrels


Today we have inexpensive mass-produced cardboard boxes, but lots of
small items used to be packed with excelsior in barrels. General
household goods like plates, cookware, and hardware, tools,
mechanical parts, widgets...

Rob Simpson



Robert <riverob@...>
 

Today we have inexpensive mass-produced cardboard boxes, but lots of
small items used to be packed with excelsior in barrels. General
household goods like plates, cookware, and hardware, tools,
mechanical parts, widgets...

Rob Simpson



--- In STMFC@..., "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@...>
wrote:

As we all know, in the earlier days of railroading before
specialized
freight cars, many items were shipped in boxcars. And before the
common use of steel drums, bags and cardboard containers, many
items,
I'm told, were shipped in wooden barrels.

I can think of items like wine, cement, nails and other hardware
being
shipped in barrels but I'm wondering what else was commonly shipped
by
rail in barrels?

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Charles Morrill
 

Cured food stuffs like pickels, crackers, cured meats, flour, ---
Charlie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:17 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Freight Shipped In Wooden Barrels


As we all know, in the earlier days of railroading before specialized freight cars, many items were shipped in boxcars. And before the common use of steel drums, bags and cardboard containers, many items, I'm told, were shipped in wooden barrels. I can think of items like wine, cement, nails and other hardware being shipped in barrels but I'm wondering what else was commonly shipped by rail in barrels?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

As we all know, in the earlier days of railroading before specialized
freight cars, many items were shipped in boxcars. And before the
common use of steel drums, bags and cardboard containers, many items,
I'm told, were shipped in wooden barrels.

I can think of items like wine, cement, nails and other hardware being
shipped in barrels but I'm wondering what else was commonly shipped by
rail in barrels?

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Charles Hladik
 

Bob,
I know for a fact that flour and crackers were shipped in wooden
barrels. Flour was also shipped in cloth sacks.
Chuck Hladik



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