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Frisco stock car question

Charlie Duckworth
 

Both the Sunshine instructions and a web site mention the doors on the Frisco stock card being painted yellow.   I know on the MP yellow stock car doors meant the car was a double deck.  Both the prototype photos in the instructions show the doors the same color as the carbody.  Any images around of yellow doors?

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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

Guy Wilber
 

Charlie wrote:

Both the Sunshine instructions and a web site mention the doors on the Frisco stock card being painted yellow.   I know on the MP yellow stock car doors meant the car was a double deck.  Both the prototype photos in the instructions show the doors the same color as the carbody.  Any images around of yellow doors?”

Charlie,

This image is from the same website.  Three more single deck cars with doors painted the same color as the car body though they appear to be a different class.

Guy Wilber 
Reno, Nevada

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Ray Breyer
 

I have 18 different photos of Frisco stock cars, ranging in dates from 1904 to 1956. None have yellow doors.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 07:35:27 AM CDT, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <worth51@...> wrote:


Both the Sunshine instructions and a web site mention the doors on the Frisco stock card being painted yellow.   I know on the MP yellow stock car doors meant the car was a double deck.  Both the prototype photos in the instructions show the doors the same color as the carbody.  Any images around of yellow doors?

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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

Charlie Duckworth
 

Thanks, I assumed as such but just checking. 
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Charlie and List Members,


I'm attaching a color image of SLSF 48001. Note the door.


Claus Schlund

On 26-Aug-22 08:35, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote:
Both the Sunshine instructions and a web site mention the doors on the Frisco stock card being painted yellow.   I know on the MP yellow stock car doors meant the car was a double deck.  Both the prototype photos in the instructions show the doors the same color as the carbody.  Any images around of yellow doors?

Charlie Duckworth
 

Claus
Thanks for posting; given the horizontal shadows in the center of the car I’m willing to bet this is a double deck car. The Mopac painted their double deck stock cars with yellow doors to differentiate from the single deck cars. Thinking the Frisco probably did the same. 
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

Ray Breyer
 

Any idea on the date of this image? Is it from after the list's cutoff date?
If so, that might explain the goofy colored door.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 06:13:12 PM CDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi Charlie and List Members,


I'm attaching a color image of SLSF 48001. Note the door.


Claus Schlund



On 26-Aug-22 08:35, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote:
> Both the Sunshine instructions and a web site mention the doors on the
> Frisco stock card being painted yellow.   I know on the MP yellow
> stock car doors meant the car was a double deck.  Both the prototype
> photos in the instructions show the doors the same color as the
> carbody.  Any images around of yellow doors?





John Barry
 

I don't know for sure, but the highest numbered SLSF stock cars in the 43 & 53 ORERs were 47999, so it is likely post 53. That said, it appears to be a double decked car and those were a minority of the stock car fleet. It was sensible to .make double decked cars visually distinctive from the rest of the fleet as you didn't want to have pigs in space when you unlatched the door at a single level stock ramp.

The yellow doors allowed a switchman to distinguish between the one and two deck cars so they could be put with like cars for loading or storage. Not sure when this started, but it was common on at least several western roads. Now I need to dig through Steve Sandifer's Santa Fe Livestock Operations book to see when the practice started on my home road.


John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 





On Friday, August 26, 2022, 11:03:57 PM EDT, Ray Breyer via groups.io <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:


Any idea on the date of this image? Is it from after the list's cutoff date?
If so, that might explain the goofy colored door.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 06:13:12 PM CDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi Charlie and List Members,


I'm attaching a color image of SLSF 48001. Note the door.


Claus Schlund



On 26-Aug-22 08:35, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote:
> Both the Sunshine instructions and a web site mention the doors on the
> Frisco stock card being painted yellow.   I know on the MP yellow
> stock car doors meant the car was a double deck.  Both the prototype
> photos in the instructions show the doors the same color as the
> carbody.  Any images around of yellow doors?





Jerry Michels
 

I don't consider this a 'goofy' color.  Many railroads painted doors of double decked stock cars to differentiate them from single deck cars. It seems smart to me.  Jerry Michels

Bill Parks
 

On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 10:33 AM, Jerry Michels wrote:
Many railroads painted doors of double decked stock cars to differentiate them from single deck cars
Was there a regulation requiring this, or was it what we in IT call industry best practice?
 
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Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida

Tim O'Connor
 


interesting. I've only previously seen one photo of a T&P double deck stock car with what looks
like yellow doors (black & white photo) but no MP or SLSF cars until this one. do you know the
date of that SLSF 48001 photo?


On 8/26/2022 7:13 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:

Hi Charlie and List Members,

I'm attaching a color image of SLSF 48001. Note the door.

Claus Schlund


On 26-Aug-22 08:35, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote:
Both the Sunshine instructions and a web site mention the doors on the Frisco stock card being painted yellow.   I know on the MP yellow stock car doors meant the car was a double deck.  Both the prototype photos in the instructions show the doors the same color as the carbody.  Any images around of yellow doors?

Attachments:
SLSF_48001_40ft_stock_s-l1600.jpg: https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/195032/0



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Tim and List Members,


Sorry, I have no additional info on this image


Claus Schlund


On 28-Aug-22 19:08, Tim O'Connor wrote:


interesting. I've only previously seen one photo of a T&P double deck stock car with what looks
like yellow doors (black & white photo) but no MP or SLSF cars until this one. do you know the
date of that SLSF 48001 photo?


On 8/26/2022 7:13 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
Hi Charlie and List Members,

I'm attaching a color image of SLSF 48001. Note the door.

Claus Schlund


On 26-Aug-22 08:35, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote:
Both the Sunshine instructions and a web site mention the doors on the Frisco stock card being painted yellow.   I know on the MP yellow stock car doors meant the car was a double deck.  Both the prototype photos in the instructions show the doors the same color as the carbody.  Any images around of yellow doors?

Attachments:
SLSF_48001_40ft_stock_s-l1600.jpg: https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/195032/0



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Dave Nelson
 

Late... but relevant.

I took the I mage Claus posted and tried to correct the color. I was able to get a tiny bit of blue into the sky w/o losing the BCR, corrected much of the contrast problems, but no amount of fiddling produced a yellow door w/o getting an even deeper yellow sky. Perhaps the door was painted white instead or perhaps the photo si too damaged to correct

Dave Nelson

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Hi Charlie and List Members,


I'm attaching a color image of SLSF 48001. Note the door.


Claus Schlund

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