Help with Northwestern green/yellow reefer
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Friend recently gave me two Branchline reefers one for the Northwestern with the gray sides. The car unfortunately lettering is as built in 1927 and I’m modeling the early 1950’s. I found an Odd Ball set for the Northwestern green and yellow scheme and have the sides stripped down to the bare plastic. This reefer is totally out of my expertise and need some SME help. the decal sheet has the following car numbers 6201, 6311 and 6700 for NWX. Are these good for the wood reefers? thanks.
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Here’s the one image I’ve found
 -- Charlie Duckworth Omaha, Ne.
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Joseph
That scheme is circa 1954, iirc Joe Binish South of Mankato on Hwy 60
On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 4:40 PM Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote: Here’s the one image I’ve found
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Todd Sullivan
Charlie,
My Jan 1952 ORER has NWX 70000-70650 503 cars, 40-0 over strikers, 4' x6' doors, 1944 cuft, 8000 capy. No other dimensional data listed, but that was typical in the Private Car Owners section of the ORER. Westerfield has a model of this car - see https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=128_418 Todd Sullivan
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Todd Sullivan
Oops, forgot to add suggestion for the paint colors. It sure looks, to my eye, that the colors are the same yellow and green as used on CNW's diesels and passenger cars in the 1950s.
Lloyd Keyser would probably know. Todd Sullivan
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Remember to upgrade to AB brakes too if doing the green and yellow cars.
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Brian J. Carlson
On May 31, 2022, at 5:37 PM, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:
-- Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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Lloyd Keyser
The Scale Coat C&NW yellow and Green is a good match or Floquil Yellow and Green. The colors are very close to the color chips though not exact.The car shown has wood ends and ends and roof are BCR.This car was overhauled and repainted at the shops in Baraboo WI. Be sure and convert to an AB brake system. I have six of the Branchline cars. Three in the pre 52 Grey and three in the Yellow and Green.My grey cars were acceptable but my early run Y&G sides were poorly painted and the lettering was very poor. I repainted and applied Westerfield decals for the Y&G cars. Best LK
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Lloyd
thanks for the clarifications; what color was the ladders and door hardware? I ‘assume’ green and the underframe? Black? Also the Odd Ball decal set has numbers in the 6000 range is this accurate for the wood cars? -- Charlie Duckworth Omaha, Ne.
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Charlie, one thing I noticed on these cars from looking at photos. There was no brake step on the B end of the car, at least in the photos I've seen. I believe the Brake wheel is a bit higher than on those cars that have a brake step so the brakeman can get leverage while turning the wheel. This is my assumption for what it's worth. Fenton
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 7:03 AM Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote: Lloyd --
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Looking thru my NWX pictures, some DID have brake steps, like this example. All of the cars with steel ends also had them (again, my photos).
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...>
Charlie, one thing I noticed on these cars from looking at photos. There was no brake step on the B end of the car, at least in the photos I've seen. I believe the Brake wheel is a bit higher than on those cars that have a brake step so the brakeman can get leverage while turning the wheel. This is my assumption for what it's worth. Fenton
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 7:03 AM Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:
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Fenton Wells Pinehurst NC 28374
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Thanks Brian, appreciate that. Fenton
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 8:32 AM BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:
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Charlie, the photos I have of NWX 6000 series are both in gray.
The color photos I have appear to show green hardware (hinges, ladders, etc., including underframe) as in this photo. Yes, wrong number series, but this is one of the clearest photos I have to show what was painted which color.
Thanks!
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Thanks for everyone’s input I just need to make a run up to House of Trains and buy some paint. I probably won’t get to this project for a few weeks I’ve got to finish the X23 (working on the underframe today) and the three RI stock cars need to have their underframes finished.
-- Charlie Duckworth Omaha, Ne.
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This is such a cool paint scheme, but probably too new for my '51 cutoff date. I do have a couple of their reefers in grey. Out of curiosity, when did the Northwestern start using the green and yellow scheme on their reefers and other house cars?
Advice appreciated.
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According to Ted Culotta’s reefer book 1952.
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Charlie Duckworth Omaha, Ne.
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I don't know about those numbers but NWX had many different wood ice reefers while the Branchline and Westerfield models represent ACF Type 2 and Type 3 reefers built in the 1920's. Of course the Westerfield instructions are an excellent source for prototype information. :-) I think there are exact color matches for CNW yellow and green. Call Des Plaines Hobbies because I know they used to have custom CNW mixes too. Tim O'Connor
On 5/31/2022 5:37 PM, Charlie Duckworth wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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I forgot to add that I like those two photos I sent because they clearly show that running boards and hatches were painted an oxide red color instead of whatever the color of the roof was. This was the same color found on the gray cars. I have 52 images of NWX reefers and not a single overhead shot ! :-D Also note this photo of a freshly painted GRAY reefer with a shop date of 7-1954. So the two paint schemes overlapped each other. Tim O'Connor
On 6/1/2022 7:03 AM, Charlie Duckworth wrote:
Lloyd --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Lloyd Keyser
Charlie, the 6000 series of 6000-6700 were built in 1926. 700 cars were on the roster on 5/31. By 10/42 139 were listed and 7/45 Only 16 listed. These cars were rebuilt over time into other number series. Various rebuildings changed the end color from red to green on the Y&G cars starting in 1952. The cars rebuilt at PC&F Renton WA,had steel ends and galvanised roofs. Original hardware was black and underframe black. If you can get a hold of one of the C&NW modelers in the area and get a copy of NORTH WESTERN LINES Winter 1987 for a comprehensive article including many pictures. Best LK
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 10:20 AM Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote: Thanks for everyone’s input I just need to make a run up to House of Trains and buy some paint. I probably won’t get to this project for a few weeks I’ve got to finish the X23 (working on the underframe today) and the three RI stock cars need to have their underframes finished.
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Lloyd Thanks again. Charlie
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 3:10 PM Lloyd Keyser <lloydkeyser@...> wrote:
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Charlie Duckworth Omaha, Ne.
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Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 12:49 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
I forgot to add that I like those two photos I sent because they clearly show that running boardsActually Tim, your shot of NWX 2810 in a previous message is taken from a high enough vantage point that it shows the wood roof sheathing IS painted oxide like the running board and hatches. The brake wheel is also oxide. Anybody have a pic that clearly shows an oxide end on one of these green and yellow cars? Dennis Storzek
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