IC Slogan Date


Nelson Moyer
 

When did IC start using the Mainstreet of Mid-America slogan on repaints of the 18000 series square corner boxcars?

 

Nelson Moyer


Jeffrey White
 

Mainline of Mid-America started appearing on repaints and new cars in 1947. 

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 9/20/2021 9:26 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

When did IC start using the Mainstreet of Mid-America slogan on repaints of the 18000 series square corner boxcars?

 

Nelson Moyer


Tim
 

The slogan was not applied until Dec 3 1947 and the 1” strip was no longer used in 1951. 

Tim Alund 


On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:31 PM, Jeffrey White <jrwhite@...> wrote:



Mainline of Mid-America started appearing on repaints and new cars in 1947. 

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 9/20/2021 9:26 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

When did IC start using the Mainstreet of Mid-America slogan on repaints of the 18000 series square corner boxcars?

 

Nelson Moyer


Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks Jeff and Tim. I’m doing background research in preparation for building the RCW square corner boxcar kit, I wanted to be sure the slogan fit my era, which it does.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim via groups.io
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The slogan was not applied until Dec 3 1947 and the 1” strip was no longer used in 1951. 

 

Tim Alund 



On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:31 PM, Jeffrey White <jrwhite@...> wrote:



Mainline of Mid-America started appearing on repaints and new cars in 1947. 

Jeff White

Alma IL

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Allen Cain
 

On a similar note, when did IC start painting cars orange with the big black circle with IC in the middle?

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Brian Carlson
 

In the future, way past the end of this list.
Brian Carlson 

On Monday, September 20, 2021, 11:01:42 PM EDT, Allen Cain <allencaintn@...> wrote:


On a similar note, when did IC start painting cars orange with the big black circle with IC in the middle?

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale

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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Tim
 

The split rail didn’t appear on box cars until 1967. 

Tim Alund 


On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:01 PM, Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:


On a similar note, when did IC start painting cars orange with the big black circle with IC in the middle?

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Tim O'Connor
 

Nelson

No later than 1949. And a new box car delivered in 1948 does not have the slogan.

Tim O'Connor


On 9/20/2021 10:26 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

When did IC start using the Mainstreet of Mid-America slogan on repaints of the 18000 series square corner boxcars?

 

Nelson Moyer



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Tim O'Connor
 

Jeff

I think this is a 1948 photo, but perhaps not.

Tim O'Connor

On 9/20/2021 10:30 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

Mainline of Mid-America started appearing on repaints and new cars in 1947. 

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 9/20/2021 9:26 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

When did IC start using the Mainstreet of Mid-America slogan on repaints of the 18000 series square corner boxcars?

 

Nelson Moyer




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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Tim O'Connor
 


1967 I think

On 9/20/2021 11:01 PM, Allen Cain wrote:
On a similar note, when did IC start painting cars orange with the big black circle with IC in the middle?

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Nelson Moyer
 

Maybe they didn’t use the slogan on 50 ft. automobile cars because it would go where AUTOMOBILE is lettered?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 7:15 AM
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Jeff

I think this is a 1948 photo, but perhaps not.

Tim O'Connor

On 9/20/2021 10:30 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

Mainline of Mid-America started appearing on repaints and new cars in 1947. 

Jeff White

Alma IL

 


Benjamin Hom
 

Nelson Moyer wrote:
"Maybe they didn’t use the slogan on 50 ft. automobile cars because it would go where AUTOMOBILE is lettered?"

No.


Ben Hom


Ed Hawkins
 



On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:26 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

When did IC start using the Mainstreet of Mid-America slogan on repaints of the 18000 series square corner boxcars?


Nelson,
IC Marking Arrangement drawing number T412, originally dated 1-27-39, applicable to IC 17000–19999, has Revision C dated 12-5-47 that added “stencil no. 529” (Main Line of Mid-America slogan) to side of car as per letter dated 11-18-47 (file 317-179).

Revision D dated 3-4-48 revised the location of stencil no. 529 to agree with stencil as cut. Rev. D moved the stencil location (from an unknown previous spot) with dimensions to the right tip of the 2nd “A” in AMERICA 2 1/2” to the right of the center line of the vertical rivets nearest the side ladder. Thus, the slogan stencil no. 529 ends on the first side sheet nearest the end.

A digital scan of IC drawing T412 is available from the National Museum of Transportation. Be advised there are two versions of T412 with the other being the as-built drawing lacking the Mainline of Mid-America slogan revision.

A second IC drawing having the slogan is also available: T426, dated 2-4-41, applicable to IC 20000-20999 & 28000-28999. Revision D to this drawing, dated two days earlier on 12-3-47, use the same revision comments as T412. Revision E of T426 moved the location of the stencil but is dimensioned from the left part of the slogan, whereby the left tip of the M in the script Main is positioned 8 1/4” from the vertical rivets center line nearest the door. T426 shows the last “A” in AMERICA to end on the 2nd side sheet from the end rather than on the first side sheet per drawing T412. 

Both drawings are 3’ x 5’ and list numerous other revisions thru the 1950s with the final revision dated 1-26-60.

Contact Teresa Militello, the NMOT library curator at tma.teresa2@... if interested in obtaining PDF scans of these drawings. 

Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Ed. As always, we can depend upon you for definitive information.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ed Hawkins
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 10:34 AM
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On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:26 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

 

When did IC start using the Mainstreet of Mid-America slogan on repaints of the 18000 series square corner boxcars?

 

 

Nelson,

IC Marking Arrangement drawing number T412, originally dated 1-27-39, applicable to IC 17000–19999, has Revision C dated 12-5-47 that added “stencil no. 529” (Main Line of Mid-America slogan) to side of car as per letter dated 11-18-47 (file 317-179).

 

Revision D dated 3-4-48 revised the location of stencil no. 529 to agree with stencil as cut. Rev. D moved the stencil location (from an unknown previous spot) with dimensions to the right tip of the 2nd “A” in AMERICA 2 1/2” to the right of the center line of the vertical rivets nearest the side ladder. Thus, the slogan stencil no. 529 ends on the first side sheet nearest the end.

 

A digital scan of IC drawing T412 is available from the National Museum of Transportation. Be advised there are two versions of T412 with the other being the as-built drawing lacking the Mainline of Mid-America slogan revision.

 

A second IC drawing having the slogan is also available: T426, dated 2-4-41, applicable to IC 20000-20999 & 28000-28999. Revision D to this drawing, dated two days earlier on 12-3-47, use the same revision comments as T412. Revision E of T426 moved the location of the stencil but is dimensioned from the left part of the slogan, whereby the left tip of the M in the script Main is positioned 8 1/4” from the vertical rivets center line nearest the door. T426 shows the last “A” in AMERICA to end on the 2nd side sheet from the end rather than on the first side sheet per drawing T412. 

 

Both drawings are 3’ x 5’ and list numerous other revisions thru the 1950s with the final revision dated 1-26-60.

 

Contact Teresa Militello, the NMOT library curator at tma.teresa2@... if interested in obtaining PDF scans of these drawings. 

 

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Ed Hawkins

 


Nelson Moyer
 

That car has a reweigh date of 1975, so lettering changed over time as Ed pointed out. Time stops for me in 1953.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] IC Slogan Date

 

Nelson Moyer wrote:

"Maybe they didn’t use the slogan on 50 ft. automobile cars because it would go where AUTOMOBILE is lettered?"

 

No.

 

 

Ben Hom

 


Jeffrey White
 

Tim,

The diagram for 3600 says it was built in 1946.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 9/21/2021 7:14 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Jeff

I think this is a 1948 photo, but perhaps not.

Tim O'Connor

On 9/20/2021 10:30 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

Mainline of Mid-America started appearing on repaints and new cars in 1947. 

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 9/20/2021 9:26 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

When did IC start using the Mainstreet of Mid-America slogan on repaints of the 18000 series square corner boxcars?

 

Nelson Moyer




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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Tim O'Connor
 


Ok thanks Jeff

On 9/21/2021 2:33 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

Tim,

The diagram for 3600 says it was built in 1946.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 9/21/2021 7:14 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Jeff

I think this is a 1948 photo, but perhaps not.

Tim O'Connor

On 9/20/2021 10:30 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

Mainline of Mid-America started appearing on repaints and new cars in 1947. 

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 9/20/2021 9:26 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

When did IC start using the Mainstreet of Mid-America slogan on repaints of the 18000 series square corner boxcars?

 

Nelson Moyer




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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts