On 18 Nov 2022, at 18:24, anthony wagner <anycw1@...> wrote:



Paul, attached are color photos taken by Jack Delano in Chicago circa 1942-43. The cars are immediate predecessors of the 6000 series. The major difference was the application of steel ends on the 6000 series cars, but the paint scheme remained the same. MDT, a subsidiary of the NYC rr, began using gothic script in the mid-1950s but again the color scheme remained the same. I'm guessing the white scheme often seen on models was only used to show off the newest equipment and was replaced with the orange scheme as the cars were refurbished periodically every 5 to 7 or 8 years. Tony Wagner

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 09:40:51 AM CST, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Paul, how about these 2?

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 10:17 AM Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi has anyone got photos of MDT 6000-7999 reefers in the orange scheme of the early 1950s please I am building a Sunshine kit.

Many thanks
Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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On 18 Nov 2022, at 21:23, ROGER HINMAN via groups.io <rhinman11@...> wrote:



Be advised that the  Sunshine kit is based on the 8000 series of cars of which a smaller quantity were built. Rood and Ends and car height do not match the earlier 6000 and 7000 cars.

Roger Hinman

On Friday, November 18, 2022, 01:24:34 PM EST, anthony wagner <anycw1@...> wrote:

Paul, attached are color photos taken by Jack Delano in Chicago circa 1942-43. The cars are immediate predecessors of the 6000 series. The major difference was the application of steel ends on the 6000 series cars, but the paint scheme remained the same. MDT, a subsidiary of the NYC rr, began using gothic script in the mid-1950s but again the color scheme remained the same. I'm guessing the white scheme often seen on models was only used to show off the newest equipment and was replaced with the orange scheme as the cars were refurbished periodically every 5 to 7 or 8 years. Tony Wagner

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 09:40:51 AM CST, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Paul, how about these 2?

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 10:17 AM Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi has anyone got photos of MDT 6000-7999 reefers in the orange scheme of the early 1950s please I am building a Sunshine kit.

Many thanks
Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

On 18 Nov 2022, at 21:23, ROGER HINMAN via groups.io <rhinman11@...> wrote:



Be advised that the  Sunshine kit is based on the 8000 series of cars of which a smaller quantity were built. Rood and Ends and car height do not match the earlier 6000 and 7000 cars.

Roger Hinman

On Friday, November 18, 2022, 01:24:34 PM EST, anthony wagner <anycw1@...> wrote:

Paul, attached are color photos taken by Jack Delano in Chicago circa 1942-43. The cars are immediate predecessors of the 6000 series. The major difference was the application of steel ends on the 6000 series cars, but the paint scheme remained the same. MDT, a subsidiary of the NYC rr, began using gothic script in the mid-1950s but again the color scheme remained the same. I'm guessing the white scheme often seen on models was only used to show off the newest equipment and was replaced with the orange scheme as the cars were refurbished periodically every 5 to 7 or 8 years. Tony Wagner

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 09:40:51 AM CST, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Paul, how about these 2?

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 10:17 AM Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi has anyone got photos of MDT 6000-7999 reefers in the orange scheme of the early 1950s please I am building a Sunshine kit.

Many thanks
Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

On Nov 18, 2022, at 5:06 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:

Hmmm, if the Sunshine kit is off in terms of roof, ends and height, is the prototype closer to a Red caboose PFE R-30-x  reefer?  I haven't done a dimensional analysis using ORER dimensions, but the biggest visual difference seems to be the channel end sill and slightly shorter door on the MDT. 

I'm sure others will tell me all the other things wrong with that proposed kitbash, but then ... that's how we collectively learn, so bring it on!

Todd Sullivan