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MILW 79003 Tankcar
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Ryan Reed
Does anyone have a suggestion what might be the best model to build this tankcar? It's 10,000 gallon and 31' 9" long.
I'm admittedly not the best tankcar guy... Ryan Reed  |
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nyc3001 .
I think this is an AC&F Type 17 10k tank car.
There is no accurate model for it as far as I know. If F&C made patterns for a 10k Type 11 tank (which was planned over 10 years ago according to the Essential Freight Cars article about the 8k Type 11) it would be easy to convert to a Type 17 by doubling the vertical rivet lines. -Phil Lee |
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Dave Parker
I agree with Phil about the likely identity of the car.
Not sure about the modeling possibility. Even if the F&C frame was right length, you'd be looking at fabbing a new tank to get to 10,000 gallons. If you have Ted's SEFCRM Vol 2, check out BFX 1120 on p. 15. I think it matches your photo. Note the somewhat trapezoidal end sill common to the Type 11s and "Type 17s". Once ACF started building MCB Class III cars, that frame didn't last long as they started to transition to what became the Type 21s. Hope this helps. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA |
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nyc3001 .
Dave, iirc Ted's EFC article stated that a 10k Type 11 was planned for the future as well as a reworked version of the 8k Type 11. The Funaro kit has some shortcomings (like a dome which is too small), which caused Ted to scratchbuild a new tank for the 8K Type 11 anyway.
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David
ACF Type 17. Unfortunately, there is no easy way to do this one. The old Proto 2000 ACF Type 21 would be the best starting point, but it needs a different end sill, different dome hatch, external safety valve elbow, and double-row radial rivet joints.
David Thompson |
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Dave Parker
On Sat, Feb 4, 2023 at 04:03 PM, nyc3001 . wrote:
iirc Ted's EFC article stated that a 10k Type 11 was planned for the future as well as a reworked version of the 8k Type 11. The Funaro kit has some shortcomings (like a dome which is too small), which caused Ted to scratchbuild a new tank for the 8K Type 11 anyway.I don't disagree, but I think if Steve was going to ever improve upon his "Type 2" (sic) model, he would have done so by now. If your are willing to scratch an entire tank (like Ted did), you could model quite a few things. I wouldn't mind a Type 17 on my layout, but it's not enough of a priority to make that kind of time investment. Now, a Penn Tank Car Co model OTOH.... -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA |
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Ryan Reed
Thanks for the answer on this one!! I'll tuck it away in case an ACF Type 17 does see the light of day at some point in the future.
-Ryan |
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Tom Madden
I'm probably missing something, but would Tangent's 1917 GATC radial rivet tank car serve as a starting point? They have the 10K available as an undec kit.
Tom Madden |
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nyc3001 .
Tom, it wouldn't. The tank, dome, and underframe are different.
Looking forward to the PSC resin tank. I have one ASEX car with a very warped tank that will probably need to be replaced. -Phil |
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hockenheim68
Are Type 17 drawings in one of the MCB?
Andrew Hutchinson |
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Ryan
I can't quite tell on that one, but I'm pretty sure this one is an ACF Type 21 as produced by Proto 2000 (now Walthers). It's smaller ~8,000 gallons. On 2/4/2023 6:09 PM, Ryan Reed wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion what might be the best model to build this tankcar? It's 10,000 gallon and 31' 9" long. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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TTIX 1012 This car has been identified (for me) as a Type 17, at least originally. This is circa 1958 so it could have been altered by this date (sometimes tanks were mounted onto newer frames) On 2/5/2023 2:20 AM, hockenheim68 via groups.io wrote: Are Type 17 drawings in one of the MCB? --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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hockenheim68
TYVM,
Helpful pic. I think I've found the basic dimensional info I was after. Andrew Hutchinson |
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Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi Tim and List Members,
It seems that in N scale one could use this Arnold tank car as a starting point for TTIX 1012...
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/co0AAOSwnsdiF6vw/s-l1600.jpg
Claus Schlund
On 05-Feb-23 13:55, Tim O'Connor wrote:
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Claus I'd think that model is a good N scale stand-in for a Type 21, but definitely not the Type 17. On 2/5/2023 6:13 PM, Claus Schlund wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Todd Sullivan
Tim,
I'm puzzled by your remark about 'its smaller -- 8000 gallons'. I compared the photo of the MILW tank car in this photo to photos of Walthers 10000 gallon HO models, and there is a strong resemblance, especially comparing tank diameter and dome sizes. Todd Sullivan |
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Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi Tim and List Members,
Thanks Tim for the insight, I will give this topic some further research...
Claus Schlund
On 06-Feb-23 11:28, Tim O'Connor wrote:
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nyc3001 .
Dave, a PTC tank car would be great. I think some of the necessary HO vertical-course tanks have already been produced (SC&F) since iirc PTC cars used STC tanks mounted onto their own frames.
So some longitudinal-course tanks (8k and 10k), a 10k vertical-course tank, and PTC frames would cover most of the bases afaik. Very common GATX cars into the 1950s based on photos. Huge domes and dome platforms attached to the domes instead of the tanks. -Phil |
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Todd
MILW 79096 is stenciled 8110 gallons, so that is why I said it was not a 10,000 gallon car. :-) Most Type 21 8k tanks are 3 courses, while most of the 10k tanks are 4 courses. I don't know if there were any 3-course 10k cars. On 2/6/2023 2:21 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io wrote: Tim, --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Todd Sullivan
Thank you, Tim, for the clarification.
Todd Sullivan |
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