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MP USRA (or USRA clone?) gon with coal loading Omaha NE 1938
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Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
MP USRA (or USRA clone?) gon with coal loading Omaha NE 1938 The car looks to be in rough shape... https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsa.8a03846/ Enjoy! Claus Schlund |
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gary laakso
Claus, it may not be unloading coal since there is no visible access to the pile.
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Gary Laakso -----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\) Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 8:17 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] MP USRA (or USRA clone?) gon with coal loading Omaha NE 1938 Hi List Members, MP USRA (or USRA clone?) gon with coal loading Omaha NE 1938 The car looks to be in rough shape... https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsa.8a03846/ Enjoy! Claus Schlund |
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Schuyler Larrabee
Gary, see those men in the car, using shovels? Back in those days, getting to the end of the Depression, hiring day labor to unload a car by hand wasn't uncommon. So, the "access to the pile" is provided in this case by those men using muscle power to scoop and heave the coal over the side onto the pile below. Note the correspondence of four men, four peaks in the pile, one below each man.
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Evidently, somebody wanted the coal unloaded right THERE. Interesting photo of how it used to be done. Schuyler -----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 11:38 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MP USRA (or USRA clone?) gon with coal loading Omaha NE 1938 Claus, it may not be unloading coal since there is no visible access to the pile. Gary Laakso -----Original Message----- From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\) Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 8:17 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] MP USRA (or USRA clone?) gon with coal loading Omaha NE 1938 Hi List Members, MP USRA (or USRA clone?) gon with coal loading Omaha NE 1938 The car looks to be in rough shape... https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsa.8a03846/ Enjoy! Claus Schlund |
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Jerry Michels
Interesting photo. It might not be coal, what about ballast? A lot of cinders were used for ballast, and it looks like the pile in the foreground is from more than one car. Jerry Michels |
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JGG KahnSr
Good suggestion; the worn condition of the car is in keeping with that of rolling stock relegated to ash pit service, which was usually just before dismantling.
Jace Kahn
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jerry Michels <gjmichels53@...>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 5:06 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MP USRA (or USRA clone?) gon with coal loading Omaha NE 1938 Interesting photo. It might not be coal, what about ballast? A lot of cinders were used for ballast, and it looks like the pile in the foreground is from more than one car. Jerry Michels
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I read that unloading a gondola full of coal on the Rio Grande Southern, perhaps 50,00 pounds, by shovel, paid 50 cents. And one man couldn't always get it done in a day. Charles Weston San Antonio
On Monday, March 13, 2023, 11:05:14 AM CDT, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:
Gary, see those men in the car, using shovels? Back in those days, getting to the end of the Depression, hiring day labor to unload a car by hand wasn't uncommon. So, the "access to the pile" is provided in this case by those men using muscle power to scoop and heave the coal over the side onto the pile below. Note the correspondence of four men, four peaks in the pile, one below each man. Evidently, somebody wanted the coal unloaded right THERE. Interesting photo of how it used to be done. Schuyler -----Original Message----- From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 11:38 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MP USRA (or USRA clone?) gon with coal loading Omaha NE 1938 Claus, it may not be unloading coal since there is no visible access to the pile. Gary Laakso -----Original Message----- From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\) Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 8:17 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] MP USRA (or USRA clone?) gon with coal loading Omaha NE 1938 Hi List Members, MP USRA (or USRA clone?) gon with coal loading Omaha NE 1938 The car looks to be in rough shape... https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsa.8a03846/ Enjoy! Claus Schlund |
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JGG KahnSr
Mentioning transhipment to and from narrow gage cars was a frequent situation. All the coal shipped on the Maine two-footers had to be shoveled by hand from standard gage cars.
Jace Kahn
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Charles Weston <rotary-oy@...>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 6:03 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MP USRA (or USRA clone?) gon with coal loading Omaha NE 1938 I read that unloading a gondola full of coal on the Rio Grande Southern, perhaps 50,00 pounds, by shovel, paid 50 cents. And one man couldn't always get it done in a day.
Charles Weston
San Antonio
On Monday, March 13, 2023, 11:05:14 AM CDT, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:
Gary, see those men in the car, using shovels? Back in those days, getting to the end of the Depression, hiring day labor to unload a car by hand wasn't uncommon. So, the "access to the pile" is provided in this case by those men using muscle
power to scoop and heave the coal over the side onto the pile below. Note the correspondence of four men, four peaks in the pile, one below each man.
Evidently, somebody wanted the coal unloaded right THERE. Interesting photo of how it used to be done. Schuyler -----Original Message----- From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 11:38 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MP USRA (or USRA clone?) gon with coal loading Omaha NE 1938 Claus, it may not be unloading coal since there is no visible access to the pile. Gary Laakso -----Original Message----- From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\) Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 8:17 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] MP USRA (or USRA clone?) gon with coal loading Omaha NE 1938 Hi List Members, MP USRA (or USRA clone?) gon with coal loading Omaha NE 1938 The car looks to be in rough shape... https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsa.8a03846/ Enjoy! Claus Schlund |
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Dennis Storzek
I agree it looks like a project to widen the embankment, note that the vegetation has been stripped off the existing, and the material is most likely cinders.
Dennis Storzek |
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Philip Dove
Back in December 2000 l saw a China rail gondola of coal being emptied by 2 guys with shovels. This might not have been the regular practice. The load had frozen solid and the two men had actually dug a tunnel about 5 feet high and almost as broad clean through to the opposite side of the car. It was at Baotao steel works. -------- Original message -------- From: "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee@...> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2023, 16:04 To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MP USRA (or USRA clone?) gon with coal loading Omaha NE 1938 Gary, see those men in the car, using shovels? Back in those days, getting to the end of the Depression, hiring day labor to unload a car by hand wasn't uncommon. So, the "access to the pile" is provided in this case by those men using muscle power to scoop and heave the coal over the side onto the pile below. Note the correspondence of four men, four peaks in the pile, one below each man. |
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Ron Merrick
I downloaded the 13.6 meg TIFF version of this photo so I could see the number, which appears to be 72580. This series of car, 70501-73500, was built by various builders in September 1919. Specifically, Pullman, Standard Steel Car, AC&F, and Haskell & Barker. I don't have a list of USRA cars but this is undoubtedly one. There was another series 73501-74250, built by Pullman and Pennsylvania Car in 1925, essentially identical. These were the only MP composite gons with the blank panel at the center of the car, as other earlier cars had one less panel (one fewer stake). One drawing notes the last two cars of the 1919 series still in existence in 1962. The last two cars from the 1925 series were noted in 1962. They were noted as having AAR power handbrake.
Some of these cars were rebuilt with slightly lower 9-panel steel sides and dreadnought ends in 1949. One hypothesis, based on the fact that there is bare slope on either side of the dump area, is that the crew could be filling in a trestle or repairing a slump. Note what appears to be rail partly buried in the pile. Ron Merrick |
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