Mystery Tank Car IDs
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Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Friends, I've been perplexed for a number of years by several tank car photos I've scavenged for possible future models (Yeah, right!). Today I spent a couple of hours playing detective, and can offer the IDs for three tanks that were a mystery to me. CMTX 465 probably belongs to "John Shatford, Agent". These marks were in use from 1935 to 1947, but they were used for other operators after our period of interest. Information on this car comes from Ian Cranstone's pages, which have a huge list of private reporting marks. QTX 106 is from Quaker City Tank Line. Actually, if I had blown this up to gragantuan size sooner, I would have seen "Quaker City Tank Line" on the right side of the tank. (Sigh!) QTX was used between 1930 to 1932, and again in 1935 by General American. Finally, we have TKX 700. This car belonged to Thomas Keery Co. Their fleet cas active under these marks from 1920 to 1935, and again from 1937 to 1945. I found their listing, including this very car, in a 1937 ORER online. Sadly, Google Books only allowed a partial view of the page, and information about the ownership and home yard for their fleet was cut off. I was able to discover that Keery apparently refined phenols, esters and other chemicals from coal tar. Patents in this company's name are recorded for the phenol refining process. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
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Garth,
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Neat photos! CMTX 465 and TKX 700 appear to be STC high walkway, radial course tanks. The date on the CMTX car seems pretty uncertain, but possibly post WWII, while the TKX car photo, if I am reading the repack on the car next to it correctly,
was taken in the early 1930s (1931? or maybe 1934? for the repack).
Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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David
CMTX 465 and TKX 700 are those high-walkway cars most likely built by Pennsylvania Tank Car in the early-mid Teens, using the underframe that Standard Tank Car adopted when it started up.
QTX 6108 is a mid-1920s GATC underframe. David Thompson
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John Barry
Garth, Oct 44: TKX 300, 600, 2 cars. remittances to Thomas Keery Co., Inc. owner (shipper) Hancock, NY John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696
On Thursday, February 25, 2021, 07:57:55 AM EST, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Friends, I've been perplexed for a number of years by several tank car photos I've scavenged for possible future models (Yeah, right!). Today I spent a couple of hours playing detective, and can offer the IDs for three tanks that were a mystery to me. CMTX 465 probably belongs to "John Shatford, Agent". These marks were in use from 1935 to 1947, but they were used for other operators after our period of interest. Information on this car comes from Ian Cranstone's pages, which have a huge list of private reporting marks. QTX 106 is from Quaker City Tank Line. Actually, if I had blown this up to gragantuan size sooner, I would have seen "Quaker City Tank Line" on the right side of the tank. (Sigh!) QTX was used between 1930 to 1932, and again in 1935 by General American. Finally, we have TKX 700. This car belonged to Thomas Keery Co. Their fleet cas active under these marks from 1920 to 1935, and again from 1937 to 1945. I found their listing, including this very car, in a 1937 ORER online. Sadly, Google Books only allowed a partial view of the page, and information about the ownership and home yard for their fleet was cut off. I was able to discover that Keery apparently refined phenols, esters and other chemicals from coal tar. Patents in this company's name are recorded for the phenol refining process. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
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An ORER from earlier, 1935, shows 14 cars
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Barry
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 9:06 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mystery Tank Car IDs
Garth,
Oct 44: TKX 300, 600, 2 cars. remittances to Thomas Keery Co., Inc. owner (shipper) Hancock, NY
John Barry
ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA
707-490-9696
On Thursday, February 25, 2021, 07:57:55 AM EST, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Friends,
I've been perplexed for a number of years by several tank car photos I've scavenged for possible future models (Yeah, right!). Today I spent a couple of hours playing detective, and can offer the IDs for three tanks that were a mystery to me.
CMTX 465 probably belongs to "John Shatford, Agent". These marks were in use from 1935 to 1947, but they were used for other operators after our period of interest. Information on this car comes from Ian Cranstone's pages, which have a huge list of private reporting marks.
QTX 106 is from Quaker City Tank Line. Actually, if I had blown this up to gragantuan size sooner, I would have seen "Quaker City Tank Line" on the right side of the tank. (Sigh!) QTX was used between 1930 to 1932, and again in 1935 by General American.
Finally, we have TKX 700. This car belonged to Thomas Keery Co. Their fleet cas active under these marks from 1920 to 1935, and again from 1937 to 1945. I found their listing, including this very car, in a 1937 ORER online. Sadly, Google Books only allowed a partial view of the page, and information about the ownership and home yard for their fleet was cut off. I was able to discover that Keery apparently refined phenols, esters and other chemicals from coal tar. Patents in this company's name are recorded for the phenol refining process.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff 🦆
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Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Steve, Thanks much for the ORER listing. I saved it in my "Scavenged Freight Car" file alongside the photo. Never can tell when this might be useful again. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:50 PM Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:
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