New paint bottles


Schuyler Larrabee
 

I’ve been off the list for a few years, getting involved with some other issues, not model railroading related.  But I am happily getting back to building things in HO scale, including a few freight cars.

 

Years ago, Bill Welch posted a source for obtaining new, empty, Floquil-equivalent bottles.  I promptly bought around 20, maybe a couple dozen bottles, in two sizes, both using the same caps (and not incidentally, fitting my Binks airbrush.

 

I carefully saved that information in a very safe place.  So safe I cannot find it.

 

I’ve tried to figure out what bottles would serve, but there is a rather bewildering array of bottle sizes, and the threads on the bottles and caps come in a wide variety of pitches.

 

I am in need of new clean bottles.  I searched the list archives tonight for a couple of hours, without success.  Anybody have information on where one can buy such bottles?

 

Schuyler Larrabee


O Fenton Wells
 

Let me know if you  find it as I could use it as well
Thanks
Fenton

On Sat, Mar 4, 2023 at 12:07 AM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

I’ve been off the list for a few years, getting involved with some other issues, not model railroading related.  But I am happily getting back to building things in HO scale, including a few freight cars.

 

Years ago, Bill Welch posted a source for obtaining new, empty, Floquil-equivalent bottles.  I promptly bought around 20, maybe a couple dozen bottles, in two sizes, both using the same caps (and not incidentally, fitting my Binks airbrush.

 

I carefully saved that information in a very safe place.  So safe I cannot find it.

 

I’ve tried to figure out what bottles would serve, but there is a rather bewildering array of bottle sizes, and the threads on the bottles and caps come in a wide variety of pitches.

 

I am in need of new clean bottles.  I searched the list archives tonight for a couple of hours, without success.  Anybody have information on where one can buy such bottles?

 

Schuyler Larrabee



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Ed Mims
 

For new bottles, air brushes and Model Flex paint in railroad colors try:

https://usaairbrushsupply.com/t/modelflex-railroad-colors

Look around on this website to find the supplies you need. I really like the Model Flex paint and the Badger line of air brushes and other items.

Ed Mims
Jacksonville, FL


Scott
 

You can buy empty Tamiya glass bottles off ebay.  Not sure that they would fit your Binks or not though. 


Fred Swanson
 


 

That link is taking forever to resolve. Searching the site for G080 resulted in this page. https://www.containerandpackaging.com/products/62/glass-packer-bottle/G080

 

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Fred Swanson via groups.io" <fredswanson@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 11:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New paint bottles

 

https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/message/135523?p=%2C%2C%2C50%2C0%2C0%2C0%3A%3ACreated%2C%2Cwelch+bottles%2C50%2C1%2C0%2C17264552
Link to Bill's post
Fred Swanson


Mark Vinski
 

I make any bottle fit my Binks bottom feed airbrush by drilling whatever holes are required to mount one of the lids to the Binks paint suction fitting. I have made longer suction tubes from copper tubing for deeper bottles. A piece of silicon tubing pushed onto the existing tube would probably work and be easier.
Mark


Schuyler Larrabee
 

THANKS very much, Fred.  I got another link, off list, for this same note, and maybe I can get what I want from this link.  I will talk to the company this leads to and see if they can provide a 2 oz. bottle, which I believe is the size Floquil used back in the day.  I need for that because I know that will fit my Binks airbrush.

 

Yeah, yeah, the Binks company no longer makes airbrushes in useful for modeling size (but they do much larger equipment today).  But I have used my Binks Wren since about 1974, and am asked what kind of brush I use, because the questioner wants to emulate my results, so . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Swanson via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2023 12:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New paint bottles

 


Link to Bill's post
Fred Swanson


 

Here’s your 2oz bottle with 28-400 neck.

https://www.containerandpackaging.com/products/204/glass-rectangle-and-square-bottle/G268

 

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 4:50 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New paint bottles

 

THANKS very much, Fred.  I got another link, off list, for this same note, and maybe I can get what I want from this link.  I will talk to the company this leads to and see if they can provide a 2 oz. bottle, which I believe is the size Floquil used back in the day.  I need for that because I know that will fit my Binks airbrush.

 

Yeah, yeah, the Binks company no longer makes airbrushes in useful for modeling size (but they do much larger equipment today).  But I have used my Binks Wren since about 1974, and am asked what kind of brush I use, because the questioner wants to emulate my results, so . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Swanson via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2023 12:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New paint bottles

 


Link to Bill's post
Fred Swanson


Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thank you Brian!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2023 6:11 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New paint bottles

 

Here’s your 2oz bottle with 28-400 neck.

https://www.containerandpackaging.com/products/204/glass-rectangle-and-square-bottle/G268

 

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 4:50 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New paint bottles

 

THANKS very much, Fred.  I got another link, off list, for this same note, and maybe I can get what I want from this link.  I will talk to the company this leads to and see if they can provide a 2 oz. bottle, which I believe is the size Floquil used back in the day.  I need for that because I know that will fit my Binks airbrush.

 

Yeah, yeah, the Binks company no longer makes airbrushes in useful for modeling size (but they do much larger equipment today).  But I have used my Binks Wren since about 1974, and am asked what kind of brush I use, because the questioner wants to emulate my results, so . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Swanson via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2023 12:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New paint bottles

 


Link to Bill's post
Fred Swanson


Schuyler Larrabee
 

Good method, Mark.

 

I have done similar things for renegade bottles, but what I am seeking is NEW bottles.  I mix paint to get colors not otherwise available and also for thinning paints that need to be thinned to successfully airbrush.  I’ve used all but a couple of the bottles I bought “back when I knew where to order them,” but as I have mentioned, the information to do so has been stored in an exceptionally safe place in my computer.  So safe I cannot find it.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Vinski
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2023 12:39 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New paint bottles

 

I make any bottle fit my Binks bottom feed airbrush by drilling whatever holes are required to mount one of the lids to the Binks paint suction fitting. I have made longer suction tubes from copper tubing for deeper bottles. A piece of silicon tubing pushed onto the existing tube would probably work and be easier.
Mark


Kenneth Montero
 

Schuyler,

The Binks Wren airbrush is still being sold as a new item, but at a hideously high price:




Ebay has a number of htem for ssle t much more reasonable prices.

Ken Montero


On 03/05/2023 5:50 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


THANKS very much, Fred.  I got another link, off list, for this same note, and maybe I can get what I want from this link.  I will talk to the company this leads to and see if they can provide a 2 oz. bottle, which I believe is the size Floquil used back in the day.  I need for that because I know that will fit my Binks airbrush.

 

Yeah, yeah, the Binks company no longer makes airbrushes in useful for modeling size (but they do much larger equipment today).  But I have used my Binks Wren since about 1974, and am asked what kind of brush I use, because the questioner wants to emulate my results, so . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Swanson via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2023 12:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New paint bottles



Link to Bill's post
Fred Swanson



WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I have three Binks Wren airbrushed (bought years ago)  designated for black,  color and clear paints.  I also have a fair stash if Floquil bottles.  Regretfully the Floquil bottles are slightly deeper than the bottles supplied with the Wren airbrush.  Thus the siphon  does not reach the bottom of the bottle making it inconvenient as the paint runs low. I was able to obtain some proper bottles a few years ago by searching Binks Wren bottles on the internet.

Another after market  addition are tube shaped filters that fit over the siphon.  I forger where I got these from but there were several sources.

Bill Pardie








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From: "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Date: 3/3/23 7:07 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] New paint bottles

I’ve been off the list for a few years, getting involved with some other issues, not model railroading related.  But I am happily getting back to building things in HO scale, including a few freight cars.

 

Years ago, Bill Welch posted a source for obtaining new, empty, Floquil-equivalent bottles.  I promptly bought around 20, maybe a couple dozen bottles, in two sizes, both using the same caps (and not incidentally, fitting my Binks airbrush.

 

I carefully saved that information in a very safe place.  So safe I cannot find it.

 

I’ve tried to figure out what bottles would serve, but there is a rather bewildering array of bottle sizes, and the threads on the bottles and caps come in a wide variety of pitches.

 

I am in need of new clean bottles.  I searched the list archives tonight for a couple of hours, without success.  Anybody have information on where one can buy such bottles?

 

Schuyler Larrabee


O Fenton Wells
 

Schuyler, I believe the standard round Floquil bottles were 1 oz bottles.  I would love to find a dozen or so of them.  I can't buy 240 plus caps.  
Fenton


On Sun, Mar 5, 2023 at 5:50 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

THANKS very much, Fred.  I got another link, off list, for this same note, and maybe I can get what I want from this link.  I will talk to the company this leads to and see if they can provide a 2 oz. bottle, which I believe is the size Floquil used back in the day.  I need for that because I know that will fit my Binks airbrush.

 

Yeah, yeah, the Binks company no longer makes airbrushes in useful for modeling size (but they do much larger equipment today).  But I have used my Binks Wren since about 1974, and am asked what kind of brush I use, because the questioner wants to emulate my results, so . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Swanson via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2023 12:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New paint bottles

 


Link to Bill's post
Fred Swanson



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


 

They have 2, 1, and ½ ounce sizes. And larger, too.

https://www.containerandpackaging.com/catalog?search=28-400+neck+&sort=products&page=3

 

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, March 6, 2023 at 12:04 PM
To: <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New paint bottles

 

Schuyler, I believe the standard round Floquil bottles were 1 oz bottles.  I would love to find a dozen or so of them.  I can't buy 240 plus caps.  

Fenton

 

 

On Sun, Mar 5, 2023 at 5:50 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

THANKS very much, Fred.  I got another link, off list, for this same note, and maybe I can get what I want from this link.  I will talk to the company this leads to and see if they can provide a 2 oz. bottle, which I believe is the size Floquil used back in the day.  I need for that because I know that will fit my Binks airbrush.

 

Yeah, yeah, the Binks company no longer makes airbrushes in useful for modeling size (but they do much larger equipment today).  But I have used my Binks Wren since about 1974, and am asked what kind of brush I use, because the questioner wants to emulate my results, so . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Swanson via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2023 12:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New paint bottles

 


Link to Bill's post
Fred Swanson


 

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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Scott H. Haycock
 


O Fenton Wells  wrote:


Schuyler, I believe the standard round Floquil bottles were 1 oz bottles.  I would love to find a dozen or so of them.  I can't buy 240 plus caps.  
Fenton
Check these out:


They're more each, but have lids.

Scott Haycock


Kevin Macomber
 

Floquil RR were 1 oz and their military and specialty colors were 1/2 oz. As we specialize in out of production paint, the number one issue with many of these new bottles is that they do not seal well. I tried to find the source for the Floquil bottles but was unsuccessful.

Kevin, NGMC
www.narrowgaugemodeling.com

On 2023-03-06 13:22, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
O Fenton Wells wrote:
Schuyler, I believe the standard round Floquil bottles were 1 oz
bottles. I would love to find a dozen or so of them. I can't buy
240 plus caps.
Fenton
Check these out:
https://www.amazon.com/Wheaton-Capacity-Phenolic-Poly-Seal-Diameter/dp/B003G2ZY1E/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2V8WR2QUV32X&keywords=28-400%2Bbottle&qid=1678126346&sprefix=28-400%2Caps%2C482&sr=8-4&th=1
They're more each, but have lids.
Scott Haycock
Links:
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[2] https://groups.io/mt/97379298/645454
[3] https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/post
[4] https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/editsub/645454
[5] https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/leave/11334620/645454/765963421/xyzzy
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Tim O'Connor
 


The poly-seal is the key in my opinion. Those old Floquil bottle caps have a fragile liner that deteriorates
with multiple opens and closes and eventually fails. And then the paint polymerizes in the bottle. These caps
and the Tamiya caps are poly-seals and are utterly reliable and do not deteriorate. And plastic bottles of
any kind are awful -- the best seal is achieved with a glass bottle and a poly-seal cap.

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Scott
Fenton

On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 1:23 PM Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:

O Fenton Wells  wrote:


Schuyler, I believe the standard round Floquil bottles were 1 oz bottles.  I would love to find a dozen or so of them.  I can't buy 240 plus caps.  
Fenton
Check these out:


They're more each, but have lids.

Scott Haycock



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Rod Miller
 

As a totally stuck in the mud user of solvent-based paints such as Floquil, I wonder how the sealer inside the lid will hold up to the solvent. I contacted the supplier who didn't know but said that for us to do the testing ourselves. Up to 10 samples, mix of lids and bottles, can be ordered for $7.50. My interest is Floquil and lacquer paints . I plan to order the following lids for testing which I presume will take a week or so for the results of the interaction between and the lid liner to become apparent:

L151 Silver metal 28-400 lid with foam liner
L011White metal 28-400 lid with standard plastisol liner
L993WHPL1 White metal 28-400 lid with standard plastisol liner
L084N Black phenolic 28-400 lid with LDPE polycone liner

To order samples, click use the chat dialog in the lower right corner of the window.

Presumably all the PP plastic lids won't work. It may be possible to recover the seals from empty/dead Floquil bottles or just reuse the lids. Now I know why I've been saving them.

To Bill Pardie, if the siphon on your lid is not metal, some airbrush suppliers sell lengths of siphon material which you can cut to work in your bottles. IIRC Badger is one of them.