NKP 1944 AAR Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #3
On 16 May 2020, at 06:54, Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:
With a bit of trepidation, here's another upgrade to a rivet-starved C&BT carbody from deep in the unbuilt kit stash -- this one the 7-foot door variation, detailed for NKP.
Detail replacements include Yarmouth Apex running board, Tichy 8/8 ladders, Kadee bracket grabs and brake wheel, and Kato A-3 trucks. Unable to spot a 7-foot prewar Youngstown door as an aftermarket part, I narrowed an 8-foot Cannonball Car Shops door (from a really low level of the parts stash!). Decals are Microscale.
Weathering is heavier on this one -- hard to stay clean around all those sooty Berks. The right side weathering next to the A end was a weathering mistake -- hard to think of a prototype situation where this pattern would occur, but I like it, and I'm sticking with it.
Bob ChapmanAttachments:
Nice work Bob!
Jim Brewer
You might consider joining and then posting your Styrene Modeling to this "io" group: main@PlasticFreightCarBuiilders.groups.io
After all there is no shortage of these kits and I am sure there are people beyond this group that would enjoy and be inspired by what you are doing.
Model On!
Bill Welch
On May 16, 2020, at 1:54 AM, Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:
With a bit of trepidation, here's another upgrade to a rivet-starved C&BT carbody from deep in the unbuilt kit stash -- this one the 7-foot door variation, detailed for NKP.
Detail replacements include Yarmouth Apex running board, Tichy 8/8 ladders, Kadee bracket grabs and brake wheel, and Kato A-3 trucks. Unable to spot a 7-foot prewar Youngstown door as an aftermarket part, I narrowed an 8-foot Cannonball Car Shops door (from a really low level of the parts stash!). Decals are Microscale.
Weathering is heavier on this one -- hard to stay clean around all those sooty Berks. The right side weathering next to the A end was a weathering mistake -- hard to think of a prototype situation where this pattern would occur, but I like it, and I'm sticking with it.
Bob Chapman<NKP #5313 3-4 B Elev Wea.JPG><NKP #5313 3-4 A Elev Wea.JPG><NKP #5313 Unptd.JPG>
Has anyone got a better view of the ends than this photo? They appear to be "S corner" rather than "W corner"
ends, and that would be very unusual even for 1946. Perhaps a Pressed Steel Car proprietary end?
Tim O'
On 5/16/2020 10:56 AM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
Bob looks good. Only one small issue is the cars have 8 rung ladders not 9.
You picked a good number too. 5000-5249 had superior doors. 5250-5499 had Youngstown.
Brian J. Carlson
On May 16, 2020, at 1:54 AM, Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:
With a bit of trepidation, here's another upgrade to a rivet-starved C&BT carbody from deep in the unbuilt kit stash -- this one the 7-foot door variation, detailed for NKP.
Detail replacements include Yarmouth Apex running board, Tichy 8/8 ladders, Kadee bracket grabs and brake wheel, and Kato A-3 trucks. Unable to spot a 7-foot prewar Youngstown door as an aftermarket part, I narrowed an 8-foot Cannonball Car Shops door (from a really low level of the parts stash!). Decals are Microscale.
Weathering is heavier on this one -- hard to stay clean around all those sooty Berks. The right side weathering next to the A end was a weathering mistake -- hard to think of a prototype situation where this pattern would occur, but I like it, and I'm sticking with it.
Bob Chapman
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
NKP 5000 – 5499 were built by Pullman Standard in 1946 under lot 5840. Drawings may be available at IRM Pullman Library, like General Arrangement 513-F-67.
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Has anyone got a better view of the ends than this photo? They appear to be "S corner" rather than "W corner"
ends, and that would be very unusual even for 1946. Perhaps a Pressed Steel Car proprietary end?
Tim O'
On 5/16/2020 10:56 AM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
Bob looks good. Only one small issue is the cars have 8 rung ladders not 9.
You picked a good number too. 5000-5249 had superior doors. 5250-5499 had Youngstown.
Brian J. Carlson
On May 16, 2020, at 1:54 AM, Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:
With a bit of trepidation, here's another upgrade to a rivet-starved C&BT carbody from deep in the unbuilt kit stash -- this one the 7-foot door variation, detailed for NKP.
Detail replacements include Yarmouth Apex running board, Tichy 8/8 ladders, Kadee bracket grabs and brake wheel, and Kato A-3 trucks. Unable to spot a 7-foot prewar Youngstown door as an aftermarket part, I narrowed an 8-foot Cannonball Car Shops door (from a really low level of the parts stash!). Decals are Microscale.
Weathering is heavier on this one -- hard to stay clean around all those sooty Berks. The right side weathering next to the A end was a weathering mistake -- hard to think of a prototype situation where this pattern would occur, but I like it, and I'm sticking with it.
Bob Chapman
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
They appear to be "S corner" rather than "W corner"Tim, I think you're just misinterpreting the photo. Look carefully at the horizontal seam between the end sections and I think you'll see the curvature of the corner. The end looks like a normal IDE.
Jack Mullen
On 16 May 2020, at 06:54, Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:
With a bit of trepidation, here's another upgrade to a rivet-starved C&BT carbody from deep in the unbuilt kit stash -- this one the 7-foot door variation, detailed for NKP.
Detail replacements include Yarmouth Apex running board, Tichy 8/8 ladders, Kadee bracket grabs and brake wheel, and Kato A-3 trucks. Unable to spot a 7-foot prewar Youngstown door as an aftermarket part, I narrowed an 8-foot Cannonball Car Shops door (from a really low level of the parts stash!). Decals are Microscale.
Weathering is heavier on this one -- hard to stay clean around all those sooty Berks. The right side weathering next to the A end was a weathering mistake -- hard to think of a prototype situation where this pattern would occur, but I like it, and I'm sticking with it.
Bob ChapmanAttachments:
That is some very nice work on the CB&T kit, Bob. I recall having difficulty working with the plastic of these kits. About 20 years ago, I upgraded several of use on a club layout. Installing the metal A-Line sill steps was a chore.
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] NKP 1944 AAR Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #3
With a bit of trepidation, here's another upgrade to a rivet-starved C&BT carbody from deep in the unbuilt kit stash -- this one the 7-foot door variation, detailed for NKP.
Detail replacements include Yarmouth Apex running board, Tichy 8/8 ladders, Kadee bracket grabs and brake wheel, and Kato A-3 trucks. Unable to spot a 7-foot prewar Youngstown door as an aftermarket part, I narrowed an 8-foot Cannonball Car Shops door (from a really low level of the parts stash!). Decals are Microscale.
Weathering is heavier on this one -- hard to stay clean around all those sooty Berks. The right side weathering next to the A end was a weathering mistake -- hard to think of a prototype situation where this pattern would occur, but I like it, and I'm sticking with it.
Bob Chapman
Tim, I think you're just misinterpreting the photo. Look carefully at the horizontal seam between the end sections and I think you'll see the curvature of the corner. The end looks like a normal IDE.I agree with Jack. Also, Dreadnaught ends with W section corner posts made use of castings or forgings to terminate the side sills and the Z bar that formed the side plate, and these parts had curvature to match the corner of the end. Both show rather well in this photo, with a highlight on the curved surface of each.
This photo illustrates the fact that not all paint schemes that used black ends painted the entire flange of the end black, since it was easier to mask clear of the rivets. I recall noting on the "square" cornered cars on the Soo Line, the color separation was masked on the little 1" or so radius curve that made the actual corner.
Dennis Storzek
This is an old thread and the photos that were attached are gone. I am wondering if anyone has a photo of Bob’s model (I emailed Bob a few days ago and haven’t heard back, hoping all is well) of a NKP 5100 series post war AAR boxcars? I have an Atlas assembled model of NKP 5150 and am wondering what changes need to made to get it closer to the prototype. A photo of the stock model is attached. Thank you for any insights.
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/
I have no photos, but they were 10 panel riveted 10-6 box cars with a 4/4 improved dreadnaught end,
SRE rectangular panel roof, 8 rung ladders, Ajax hand brake, Apex running board, and 7 panel 7 foot
Superior doors 5000-5249). Built by Pullman Standard !
On 12/19/2022 8:50 PM, Bruce Griffin wrote:
Friends,
This is an old thread and the photos that were attached are gone. I am wondering if anyone has a photo of Bob’s model (I emailed Bob a few days ago and haven’t heard back, hoping all is well) of a NKP 5100 series post war AAR boxcars? I have an Atlas assembled model of NKP 5150 and am wondering what changes need to made to get it closer to the prototype. A photo of the stock model is attached. Thank you for any insights.
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
I have no photos, but they were 10 panel riveted 10-6 box cars with a 4/4 improved dreadnaught end,
SRE rectangular panel roof, 8 rung ladders, Ajax hand brake, Apex running board, and 7 panel 7 foot
Superior doors 5000-5249). Built by Pullman Standard !
On 12/19/2022 8:50 PM, Bruce Griffin wrote:
Friends,
This is an old thread and the photos that were attached are gone. I am wondering if anyone has a photo of Bob’s model (I emailed Bob a few days ago and haven’t heard back, hoping all is well) of a NKP 5100 series post war AAR boxcars? I have an Atlas assembled model of NKP 5150 and am wondering what changes need to made to get it closer to the prototype. A photo of the stock model is attached. Thank you for any insights.
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
