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Tim O'Connor
This is such a strange
looking car -- It has a tall 5/5 (typically 10-6) end, but the
sides are
shorter and there is a riveted section above the sides to fill in
the difference. But the inside
height of the car is 9-11 -- so raising the roof added no
additional interior space?? Was the
car built this way, or was it rebuilt? And if rebuilt, why?
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
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Not particularly uncommon, Tim. The ERIE did this with a couple of series of cars to install auto racks, and the racks took up the vertical space, hence no increase in the IH of the car. In fact, one series of the ERIE’s cars had this modification, then it was removed and returned to the original design. I’m not sure why they did that, but the photographic evidence is clear.
I keep getting revved up to build a model of the raised-roof version, before I remember that the ends on those cars are INVERTED dreadnaughts. I think those ends are available, but that raises the degree of difficulty considerably. Schuyler
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] NKP #8239 box car question
This is such a strange looking car -- It has a tall 5/5 (typically 10-6) end, but the sides are
shorter and there is a riveted section above the sides to fill in the difference. But the inside
height of the car is 9-11 -- so raising the roof added no additional interior space?? Was the
car built this way, or was it rebuilt? And if rebuilt, why?
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
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Brian Carlson
Those are the war emergency boxcars rebuilt with steel sides and 8ft doors after the end of this list (64) Diagrams here. Use the 64 book.
On Mar 6, 2023, at 11:11 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
This is such a strange
looking car -- It has a tall 5/5 (typically 10-6) end, but the
sides are
shorter and there is a riveted section above the sides to fill in
the difference. But the inside
height of the car is 9-11 -- so raising the roof added no
additional interior space?? Was the
car built this way, or was it rebuilt? And if rebuilt, why?
-- Tim O'ConnorSterling, Massachusetts
<nkp_8239 46169.jpg>
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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
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Brian Carlson
Forgot to add the roof wasn’t raised that was just the was the Murphy roof attached to the war emergency cars.
The inside width got approx. 6” wider.
On Mar 6, 2023, at 11:11 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
This is such a strange
looking car -- It has a tall 5/5 (typically 10-6) end, but the
sides are
shorter and there is a riveted section above the sides to fill in
the difference. But the inside
height of the car is 9-11 -- so raising the roof added no
additional interior space?? Was the
car built this way, or was it rebuilt? And if rebuilt, why?
-- Tim O'ConnorSterling, Massachusetts
<nkp_8239 46169.jpg>
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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
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Tim O'Connor
Thanks, Brian. No idea how I would model this car, but it's very
distinctive. :-(
On 3/6/2023 11:34 AM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
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Those are the war
emergency boxcars rebuilt with steel sides and 8ft doors after
the end of this list (64)
Diagrams here. Use
the 64 book.
This is such a
strange looking car -- It has a tall 5/5 (typically
10-6) end, but the sides are
shorter and there is a riveted section above the sides
to fill in the difference. But the inside
height of the car is 9-11 -- so raising the roof added
no additional interior space?? Was the
car built this way, or was it rebuilt? And if rebuilt,
why?
Attachments:
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
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Tim O'Connor
By the way, the photo you attached is a 1932 ARA car, not the
War Emergency car. ;-)
On 3/6/2023 11:34 AM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
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Those are the war
emergency boxcars rebuilt with steel sides and 8ft doors after
the end of this list (64)
Diagrams here. Use
the 64 book.
This is such a
strange looking car -- It has a tall 5/5 (typically
10-6) end, but the sides are
shorter and there is a riveted section above the sides
to fill in the difference. But the inside
height of the car is 9-11 -- so raising the roof added
no additional interior space?? Was the
car built this way, or was it rebuilt? And if rebuilt,
why?
--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
<nkp_8239
46169.jpg>
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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
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Tim O'Connor
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Brian Carlson
The photo just happens to be the lead background photo on the blog post. Real info is the 3 diagram books in the post.
On Mar 6, 2023, at 1:11 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
By the way, the photo you attached is a 1932 ARA car, not the
War Emergency car. ;-)
On 3/6/2023 11:34 AM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
Those are the war
emergency boxcars rebuilt with steel sides and 8ft doors after
the end of this list (64)
Diagrams here. Use
the 64 book.
This is such a
strange looking car -- It has a tall 5/5 (typically
10-6) end, but the sides are
shorter and there is a riveted section above the sides
to fill in the difference. But the inside
height of the car is 9-11 -- so raising the roof added
no additional interior space?? Was the
car built this way, or was it rebuilt? And if rebuilt,
why?
--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
<nkp_8239
46169.jpg>
--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
Attachments:
-- Tim O'ConnorSterling, Massachusetts
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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
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Tim O'Connor
Ah, sorry. For some reason the links don't show up in my email
reader (Thunderbird)
On 3/6/2023 1:14 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
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The photo just happens
to be the lead background photo on the blog post. Real info is
the 3 diagram books in the post.
By the way, the photo you attached is a 1932 ARA car, not
the War Emergency car. ;-)
On 3/6/2023 11:34 AM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
Those are the
war emergency boxcars rebuilt with steel sides and 8ft
doors after the end of this list (64)
Diagrams
here. Use the 64 book.
This is
such a strange looking car -- It has a tall 5/5
(typically 10-6) end, but the sides are
shorter and there is a riveted section above the
sides to fill in the difference. But the inside
height of the car is 9-11 -- so raising the roof
added no additional interior space?? Was the
car built this way, or was it rebuilt? And if
rebuilt, why?
--
Tim
O'Connor
Sterling,
Massachusetts
<nkp_8239
46169.jpg>
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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
Attachments:
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
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