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NKP #8239 box car question

Tim O'Connor
 


This is such a strange looking car -- It has a tall 5/5 (typically 10-6) end, but the sides are
shorter and there is a riveted section above the sides to fill in the difference. But the inside
height of the car is 9-11 -- so raising the roof added no additional interior space?? Was the
car built this way, or was it rebuilt? And if rebuilt, why?
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Not particularly uncommon, Tim.  The ERIE did this with a couple of series of cars to install auto racks, and the racks took up the vertical space, hence no increase in the IH of the car.  In fact, one series of the ERIE’s cars had this modification, then it was removed and returned to the original design.  I’m not sure why they did that, but the photographic evidence is clear.
I keep getting revved up to build a model of the raised-roof version, before I remember that the ends on those cars are INVERTED dreadnaughts.  I think those ends are available, but that raises the degree of difficulty considerably.

 

Schuyler

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] NKP #8239 box car question

 


This is such a strange looking car -- It has a tall 5/5 (typically 10-6) end, but the sides are
shorter and there is a riveted section above the sides to fill in the difference. But the inside
height of the car is 9-11 -- so raising the roof added no additional interior space?? Was the
car built this way, or was it rebuilt? And if rebuilt, why?


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Brian Carlson
 

Those are the war emergency boxcars rebuilt with steel sides and 8ft doors after the end of this list (64) 

On Mar 6, 2023, at 11:11 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


This is such a strange looking car -- It has a tall 5/5 (typically 10-6) end, but the sides are
shorter and there is a riveted section above the sides to fill in the difference. But the inside
height of the car is 9-11 -- so raising the roof added no additional interior space?? Was the
car built this way, or was it rebuilt? And if rebuilt, why?
--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
<nkp_8239 46169.jpg>

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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

Brian Carlson
 

Forgot to add the roof wasn’t raised that was just the was the Murphy roof attached to the war emergency cars. 

The inside width got approx. 6” wider. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 6, 2023, at 11:11 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


This is such a strange looking car -- It has a tall 5/5 (typically 10-6) end, but the sides are
shorter and there is a riveted section above the sides to fill in the difference. But the inside
height of the car is 9-11 -- so raising the roof added no additional interior space?? Was the
car built this way, or was it rebuilt? And if rebuilt, why?
--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
<nkp_8239 46169.jpg>

--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks, Brian. No idea how I would model this car, but it's very distinctive. :-(

On 3/6/2023 11:34 AM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:

Those are the war emergency boxcars rebuilt with steel sides and 8ft doors after the end of this list (64) 
Diagrams here. Use the 64 book.  



Brian J. Carlson 
On Mar 6, 2023, at 11:11 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


This is such a strange looking car -- It has a tall 5/5 (typically 10-6) end, but the sides are
shorter and there is a riveted section above the sides to fill in the difference. But the inside
height of the car is 9-11 -- so raising the roof added no additional interior space?? Was the
car built this way, or was it rebuilt? And if rebuilt, why?

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Tim O'Connor
 


By the way, the photo you attached is a 1932 ARA car, not the War Emergency car. ;-)

On 3/6/2023 11:34 AM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:

Those are the war emergency boxcars rebuilt with steel sides and 8ft doors after the end of this list (64) 
Diagrams here. Use the 64 book.  



Brian J. Carlson 
On Mar 6, 2023, at 11:11 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


This is such a strange looking car -- It has a tall 5/5 (typically 10-6) end, but the sides are
shorter and there is a riveted section above the sides to fill in the difference. But the inside
height of the car is 9-11 -- so raising the roof added no additional interior space?? Was the
car built this way, or was it rebuilt? And if rebuilt, why?

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
<nkp_8239 46169.jpg>

--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Brian Carlson
 

The photo just happens to be the lead background photo  on the blog post. Real info is the 3 diagram books in the post. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 6, 2023, at 1:11 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



By the way, the photo you attached is a 1932 ARA car, not the War Emergency car. ;-)

On 3/6/2023 11:34 AM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
Those are the war emergency boxcars rebuilt with steel sides and 8ft doors after the end of this list (64) 
Diagrams here. Use the 64 book.  



Brian J. Carlson 
On Mar 6, 2023, at 11:11 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


This is such a strange looking car -- It has a tall 5/5 (typically 10-6) end, but the sides are
shorter and there is a riveted section above the sides to fill in the difference. But the inside
height of the car is 9-11 -- so raising the roof added no additional interior space?? Was the
car built this way, or was it rebuilt? And if rebuilt, why?

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
<nkp_8239 46169.jpg>

--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

Tim O'Connor
 


Ah, sorry. For some reason the links don't show up in my email reader (Thunderbird)

On 3/6/2023 1:14 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:

The photo just happens to be the lead background photo  on the blog post. Real info is the 3 diagram books in the post. 
Brian J. Carlson 
On Mar 6, 2023, at 1:11 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



By the way, the photo you attached is a 1932 ARA car, not the War Emergency car. ;-)
On 3/6/2023 11:34 AM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
Those are the war emergency boxcars rebuilt with steel sides and 8ft doors after the end of this list (64) 
Diagrams here. Use the 64 book.  



Brian J. Carlson 
On Mar 6, 2023, at 11:11 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

This is such a strange looking car -- It has a tall 5/5 (typically 10-6) end, but the sides are
shorter and there is a riveted section above the sides to fill in the difference. But the inside
height of the car is 9-11 -- so raising the roof added no additional interior space?? Was the
car built this way, or was it rebuilt? And if rebuilt, why?

--
Tim O'Connor
 Sterling, Massachusetts
<nkp_8239 46169.jpg>

--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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