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[Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tank heads on depressed center flat on EJE

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

 

I am pretty certain it is a F29.  All the details match up.

 

Tim is right, those triangular deck supports are the deal sealer.

 

There were two groups of F29, differing only in trucks and an extra air reservoir.  The first group had those PRR trucks with the heavy yoke up top; the later group had Buckeyes.  I included something about this in the PRR flat car book.

 

Railworks did both variants after I supplied them photos.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:55 AM
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tank heads on depressed center flat on EJE

 


Perhaps but the F29 had rivets on the sides and especially those triangle deck supports, both of which can be seen in the photo.
Do you know of other depressed center flat cars with the deck supports?


On 12/21/2020 9:10 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:

The side frames appear different. The attached photo shows a singular upper frame, while the lightbox appears to have a more flexible, almost “Buckeye”, appearance. At least to my eye.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Cich <ajc5150@...>
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Date: Monday, December 21, 2020 at 7:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tank heads on depressed center flat on EJE

 

The linked photo sure does look like an F29. The sill steps, grab irons, poling pockets, and polling pocket rivets all match up.

 

About the only difference between the attached photo and the linked photo is the cut lever. Carmer on the attached photo and bottom operated on the linked photo.

 

 

Andy Cich

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 5:13 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tank heads on depressed center flat on EJE

 

Folks;

 

Does this flat car look like the PRR F29, also attached? (Granted, different trucks; the second order of F29 got Commonwealths).

 

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-331/lightbox/

 

Do those sheets look like tank or boiler heads?  Interesting loading technique!

 

Elden Gatwood

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Tim O'Connor
 


Kiesel trucks plus the air reservoir


On 12/22/2020 10:24 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Group;

 

I am pretty certain it is a F29.  All the details match up.

 

Tim is right, those triangular deck supports are the deal sealer.

 

There were two groups of F29, differing only in trucks and an extra air reservoir.  The first group had those PRR trucks with the heavy yoke up top; the later group had Buckeyes.  I included something about this in the PRR flat car book.

 

Railworks did both variants after I supplied them photos.

 

Elden Gatwood






--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Kenneth Montero
 

Funaro & Carmerlengo offer the F29 car in two kits - one with Kiesel trucks, one with Buckeye trucks.
 
Ken Montero

On 12/22/2020 10:24 AM Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
 
 

Group;

 

I am pretty certain it is a F29.  All the details match up.

 

Tim is right, those triangular deck supports are the deal sealer.

 

There were two groups of F29, differing only in trucks and an extra air reservoir.  The first group had those PRR trucks with the heavy yoke up top; the later group had Buckeyes.  I included something about this in the PRR flat car book.

 

Railworks did both variants after I supplied them photos.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:55 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tank heads on depressed center flat on EJE

 


Perhaps but the F29 had rivets on the sides and especially those triangle deck supports, both of which can be seen in the photo.
Do you know of other depressed center flat cars with the deck supports?


On 12/21/2020 9:10 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:

The side frames appear different. The attached photo shows a singular upper frame, while the lightbox appears to have a more flexible, almost “Buckeye”, appearance. At least to my eye.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Cich <ajc5150@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, December 21, 2020 at 7:51 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>, <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tank heads on depressed center flat on EJE

 

The linked photo sure does look like an F29. The sill steps, grab irons, poling pockets, and polling pocket rivets all match up.

 

About the only difference between the attached photo and the linked photo is the cut lever. Carmer on the attached photo and bottom operated on the linked photo.

 

 

Andy Cich

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 5:13 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tank heads on depressed center flat on EJE

 

Folks;

 

Does this flat car look like the PRR F29, also attached? (Granted, different trucks; the second order of F29 got Commonwealths).

 

http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-331/lightbox/

 

Do those sheets look like tank or boiler heads?  Interesting loading technique!

 

Elden Gatwood

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

 
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