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[Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Mostly Gondolas (Circa 1940s)


Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

At least on PRR:  early gon and hopper side replacements involved removing the rivets, then replacement of side panels or boards, followed by re-riveting, painting and lettering.

 

As time went by and labor costs rose, replacements were more unitary, like the combined partial side panel and stake replacements used on the H21E, for example.  Four pieces for each side, IIRC.

 

By the sixties, PRR had moved to entire side replacements, stakes and all.  That included things like Stanray corrugated sides with integral stakes.

 

Just one example…

 

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 10:19 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Mostly Gondolas (Circa 1940s)

 

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 06:46 AM, Mont Switzer wrote:

.........and the sides most likely were shot and needed replacement anyway. However, the stamped side panels obviously would cost more.

Unless... The stamped side panels also included the stakes, saving the fabrication of separate parts. I haven't had any occasion to research replacement gondola sides, but as far as hopper sides are concerned, very few cars used separate framing as modeled on the Tichy car. Early on Union Metal Products revised their product to include "integral stakes", each edge of the sheet being flanged outward to form half a stake, which were welded together after the sheets were riveted to the side sills.

Dennis Storzek


Philip Dove
 

The Mssouuri Pacific car I was referring to,  was part of a class of 2,400 gondolas built in 3 lots for the Mopac and subsidiaries between 1937 and 1942 that were built new with paneled sides according to the data sheet that comes with the F&C kit . In 1949 Mopac built similar Gondolas in house but didn't bother with the special panels. I was surprised on reading the information to see that the panels were not a replacement item. I understood that by the late 1930s the panels were going out of favour as railroads realised they tended to rust out more quickly than flat sheets. Would a load of sand be sheeted over to stop the load blowing away? What would the tarps if any look like?

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On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 16:53, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Guys;

 

At least on PRR:  early gon and hopper side replacements involved removing the rivets, then replacement of side panels or boards, followed by re-riveting, painting and lettering.

 

As time went by and labor costs rose, replacements were more unitary, like the combined partial side panel and stake replacements used on the H21E, for example.  Four pieces for each side, IIRC.

 

By the sixties, PRR had moved to entire side replacements, stakes and all.  That included things like Stanray corrugated sides with integral stakes.

 

Just one example…

 

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 10:19 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Mostly Gondolas (Circa 1940s)

 

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 06:46 AM, Mont Switzer wrote:

.........and the sides most likely were shot and needed replacement anyway. However, the stamped side panels obviously would cost more.

Unless... The stamped side panels also included the stakes, saving the fabrication of separate parts. I haven't had any occasion to research replacement gondola sides, but as far as hopper sides are concerned, very few cars used separate framing as modeled on the Tichy car. Early on Union Metal Products revised their product to include "integral stakes", each edge of the sheet being flanged outward to form half a stake, which were welded together after the sheets were riveted to the side sills.

Dennis Storzek


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