NYC boxcar 163277


Tim O'Connor
 


Tony's comment inspired me to do some digging...

Technically, Standard Railway Equipment become a SUBSIDIARY of Stanray Corporation,
and both names appear together in the 1961 Car Builder Cyclopedia. So we probably
should not refer to the railroad products as "Stanray" regardless of the era -- SRE
or SRECO is more precise. Seems to me I've seen "SRE" used before.

But poking around led me to this collection of RAILROAD ADVERTISEMENTS which is
definitely worth a visit! There are over 2,000 ads here in the 1950-2011 collection
and most of them seem to be from the 1950's.

http://waidephoto.smugmug.com/Trains

Tim O'







A.T. Kott wrote:

Dave - I have a question about the type of roof indicated on your mechanical drawing for the NYC Lot 743-B boxcars.  In post #126331, you indicate that the cars had a "STANRAY roof".  Since the 2,000 boxcars in Lot 743-B were built in 1945, does this "STANRAY" mean the diagonal panel roof?  (I thought it was first applied to freight cars in late 1948!?)  Does the Stanray mean a flat panel roof (sans diagonals) by the same manufacturer?  Or is your mechanical drawing for the 500 cars modified in 1965-66 and placed in Lot 969-B?

   Small point of nomenclature: the Standard Railway Equipment Company did not begin to refer to itself as "Stanray" until after the term of this list, and my opinion no roofs of cars which fall into the period of this list should be called Stanray roofs. It is purely an anachronistic term on this list.

Tony Thompson 


Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Tony's comment inspired me to do some digging...

Technically, Standard Railway Equipment become a SUBSIDIARY of Stanray Corporation, and both names appear together in the 1961 Car Builder Cyclopedia. So we probably should not refer to the railroad products as "Stanray" regardless of the era -- SRE or SRECO is more precise. Seems to me I've seen "SRE" used before.


      I first realized the timing on the Stanray change when I was systematically going through all issues of Railway Age, over 25 years ago when researching for the PFE book. The Stanray ads in the magazine suddenly appeared in about 1961. Previously the term had never surfaced in their ads. I later saw a 1961 Cyc, as Tim describes.

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proto48er
 

Ed -  Many, many thanks!!!  You have been a tremendous help in keeping us on the prototype "straight and narrow!"  Anxiously awaiting an import....

A. T. Kott


rwitt_2000
 

Found this ad for a diagonal pane roof in that collection for 1955. They use the term "Standard".

Waide Collection of Vintage Railroad Advertisements 1950 - Present - WaidePhoto

 

Bob Witt


ROGER HINMAN
 

Back to the original question. I have a copy of New York Central drawing Y-54262 titled "General Arrangement, All Steel Roof, Freight Cars" dated Apr 24, 1946 which is applicable to Lot 743-B as well as five other contemporary lots.

No mention is made on this drawing of who the supplier is but it's obviously the vendor being discussed. The intermediate roof sheets( qty 10) are raised panel type with a two inch high profile, the two end sheets are flat

This drawing is available from the NYC Historical Society on their CD 157.  Roof General Arrangements were prepared for the majority of the NYC box cars and are a better source of information than diagram books or full car general arrangrments.


Roger Hinman



On Jul 12, 2014, at 4:13 PM, rwitt_2000@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Found this ad for a diagonal pane roof in that collection for 1955. They use the term "Standard".

Waide Collection of Vintage Railroad Advertisements 1950 - Present - WaidePhoto

 
Bob Witt



Tim O'Connor
 


Bob, that box car -- 19682 -- is almost certainly a Wabash box car
built by General American in 1953, series 19500-19799

Tim




At 7/12/2014 04:13 PM Saturday, you wrote:


Found this ad for a diagonal pane roof in that collection for 1955. They use the term "Standard".

Waide Collection of Vintage Railroad Advertisements 1950 - Present - WaidePhoto
Waide Collection


David
 

Judging by this:
Official Gazette of the United States Patent Office

 

looks like SRE started out in St. Louis.

David Thompson


Dave Nelson
 

Roger, the answer is on drawing T-54247

 

Dave Nelson

 

p.s. I also endorse the utility of the NYC Historical Society CD’s.  They can be a bit expensive but when you compute the per drawing cost it usually works out to dirt cheap.

 

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Back to the original question. I have a copy of New York Central drawing Y-54262 titled "General Arrangement, All Steel Roof, Freight Cars" dated Apr 24, 1946 which is applicable to Lot 743-B as well as five other contemporary lots.

 

No mention is made on this drawing of who the supplier is but it's obviously the vendor being discussed. The intermediate roof sheets( qty 10) are raised panel type with a two inch high profile, the two end sheets are flat

 

This drawing is available from the NYC Historical Society on their CD 157.  Roof General Arrangements were prepared for the majority of the NYC box cars and are a better source of information than diagram books or full car general arrangrments.

 

 

Roger Hinman