Photo: CB&Q Livestock Car 58587D
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Photo: CB&Q Livestock Car 58587D A double deck car. Build date appears to be September 1924. Photo probably is from 1963 or later but otherwise would fit the era of this group. Location unknown. Photo from the Richard Hendrickson collection. Bob Chaparro Moderator Railway Bull Shippers Group |
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Comments from the CB& Q group: CB&Q Class SM-16 Car has Andrews trucks, which were banned from interchange in 1958, so if the photo date to 1963 the car was limited to use on the CB&Q. But it has been converted to AB brakes. Bob Chaparro Moderator Railway Bull Shippers Group |
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brianleppert@att.net
Andrews trucks with U-section side frames were not banned.
Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV |
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William Hirt
Andrews trucks were reused under new PRR open hoppers built in
1961. These cars continued into the PC merger. The CB&Q used Andrews sideframes to replace soon to be banned Arch Bar trucks circa 1938 on a number of cars according to CB&Q car diagrams. The advantage being that the Andrews side frames could use the Arch Bar truck's journal boxes. The cars that received these changes kept them until retirement. Of the major middle of the country stockyards, the CB&Q only
served the Denver Union stockyards directly. The rest of the major
stockyards required interchange. So a CB&Q stock car was
allowed in interchange with these Andrews trucks past the end of
this list's date. Bill Hirt On 3/10/2023 12:18 PM, Bob Chaparro via
groups.io wrote:
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ted schnepf
Hello Bill and list, --
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Nelson Moyer commented:
"Bob, there are two issues in this thread, one is the CB&Q Andrews truck, which is a 40 ton truck, and the other is the PRR Crown truck (resembles Andrews but larger) which is a 70 ton truck (Crown also made 100 ton trucks for gondolas and hoppers). The Q didn’t use 70 ton trucks under stock cars. Besides Andrews 40 ton trucks, the CB&Q used Barber double truss lateral motion spring plank 40 ton trucks on some SM-18 stock cars. I don’t have information on the SM-19 stock cars immediately available, but I’m pretty sure they had 40 ton trucks, probably double truss spring plankless on most cars, but I have one photo of a SM-19A with Andrews 40 ton trucks taken in the 1960s (3-6?, the second digit of reweigh date isn’t legible). It has the modernized lettering, and probably Chinese Red paint (hard to tell because it’s heavily weathered). Chinese Red wasn’t used until 1959, so that supports a 1960s photo data. I don’t think the CB&Q ever used Crown trucks."
Bob Chaparro |
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CB&Q "Chinese Red" paint appeared in May 1958, if not earlier. On 3/11/2023 2:02 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote: Nelson Moyer commented: --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Rupert Gamlen
The first appearance of the Chinese red scheme was on class XM-32F box car #62500 when it was displayed at the Havelock shops on February 3, 1958, followed by the other 1499 cars of the class. Also built at Havelock in 1958, and placed
into service displaying the same colours, were the first 90 mill gondolas #82550-82639 (GM-4A), 50 mill gondolas #197180-197229 (GM-3D) and depressed centre flatcar #91875 (FD-1).
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Nelson Moyer
When were motors first painted Chinese red?
Nelson Moyer
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The first appearance of the Chinese red scheme was on class XM-32F box car #62500 when it was displayed at the Havelock shops on February 3, 1958, followed by the other 1499 cars of the class. Also built at Havelock in
1958, and placed into service displaying the same colours, were the first 90 mill gondolas #82550-82639 (GM-4A), 50 mill gondolas #197180-197229 (GM-3D) and depressed centre flatcar #91875 (FD-1).
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Weren't the EMD SD-24s the first ? When was that ? On 3/12/2023 9:21 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Nelson Moyer
Don’t know, time stopped for me in 1953. I’m hoping Rupert will have the answer.
Nelson Moyer
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On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2023 7:24 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: CB&Q Livestock Car 58587D
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William Hirt
The SD-24s were the first new units delivered in Chinese Red. Bill Hirt On 3/12/2023 10:36 AM, Nelson Moyer
wrote:
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brianleppert@att.net
PRR's Crown truck also had a 50-ton version, class 2D-F2. For more info on Pennsy trucks, try this link:
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PRRTruckTypes-C422800.html Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV |
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William Hurt replied:
"According to the car diagrams, these are the trucks for the SM-19 class: SM-19 class series 52000-52149. CB&Q truck type 62 which is a 40 ton steel double-truss Barber Lateral Motion (Spring Plank). SM-19A class series 52500-52699. CB&Q truck type 80 which is 40 ton Scullin Self Aligning (Spring Plankless) truck. SM-19B class: Series 52700-52999. CB&Q truck type 54-A which is 40 ton Andrews type cast sideframe. Specifically states in truck diagram this truck replaces Arch-Bar trucks. The journal boxes could be reused from Arch Bar trucks with this sideframe. I suspect these journal boxes were reclaimed from scrapped cars with Arch Bar trucks considering these cars were built post World War II. Series 53000-53099. CB&Q truck type 76 which is a 40 ton Barber S-2-A (Spring Plankless) truck. Series 53100-53199. CB&Q truck type 77 which is a 40 ton ASF A-3 Ride Control truck. SM-19C class series 50500-50599. CB&Q truck type 79-C which is a 50 ton Scullin A-3 Ride Control (Spring Plankless) truck. This was a double deck car series." Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA |
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Jim Barnes
I have really enjoyed the various classes of trucks you have produced in HO. It is obviously observed that you have a real passion for your beatiful and superply detailed crafted works of art. So here it comes, sure wish one of those trucks were a Dalman One Level. Just a dream. Can't thank you enough for what you have done for the hobby.
On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 10:24:18 AM PST, brianleppert@... <brianleppert@...> wrote:
Andrews trucks with U-section side frames were not banned. Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV |
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