Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated)
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Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated) A photo from the Denver Public Library: https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/16921/rec/6 Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image. Wreck in Colorado. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Eric Hansmann
That CB&Q boxcar is wearing some great chalk marks!
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Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
On Dec 31, 2020, at 3:41 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
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For those wanting the full resolution photo:
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated) A photo from the Denver Public Library: https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/16921/rec/6 Click on the double-headed arrow and then scroll to enlarge the image. Wreck in Colorado. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Keith Retterer
This is what it looked like when built in 1914.
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Ralph W. Brown
Hi Keith,
Very nice photo. I’m pretty sure that’s the first time I’ve seen a
wood sheathed boxcar with end doors, or any boxcar with end doors as early as
1914.
Thanks,
Ralph
Brown
Portland, Maine PRRT&HS No. 3966 NMRA No. L2532 rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
From: Keith
Retterer
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 6:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: El Paso & Southwestern
Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated) This
is what it looked like when built in 1914.
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Steve SANDIFER
This is (was) a Santa Fe FE-K I found in Howard, Kansas, back in 2011. It is no longer there. It was one of 500 from AC&F built in 1909. Yes, that it the original end door. Original number 8868.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph W. Brown
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 6:31 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated)
Hi Keith,
Very nice photo. I’m pretty sure that’s the first time I’ve seen a wood sheathed boxcar with end doors, or any boxcar with end doors as early as 1914.
Thanks,
Ralph Brown
From: Keith Retterer Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: El Paso & Southwestern Automobile Boxcar 20302[?] (Undated)
This is what it looked like when built in 1914.
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akerboomk
RE: Early end door box cars
B&M car with end doors (12300 series) (with photo) https://www.bmrrhs.org/box_12423_series/
Built 1908-1909
They also had some built 1903 (I don’t have a photo) https://www.bmrrhs.org/box_12550_series/
Ken -- Ken Akerboom
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earlyrail
End door cars were built early St Paul Road (CM&StP) Racine Wagon cars built in 1884 and others Howard Garner
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lrkdbn
Re the B&M cars- the 1916 CBD figure.425 on,pg.384 shows the Western Stl Car underframe for these cars.
I'm not sure if this is exactly the same as the "B&M" underframe. Note these cars had 8x12 brake cylinders- use the Grandt Line "narrow gauge" brake set! Larry King
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Dave Parker
This has wandered pretty far off target but, yes, those drawings in the 1916 (also in the 1912) CBC are of the "B&M style" UF used on the majority (63%) of the B&M's shorty SUF XM and XA cars.
The cars actually built by Western Steel in 1908 were 40-t cars riding on Fox trucks, and had 10x12 KC hardware. All the others, including the XA cars, were built by Laconia and were rated at 30 tons; thus the 8x12 cylinders. _____________ Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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