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Photo: SP Flat Car 43595 With Transformer Load
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Photo: SP Flat Car 43595 With Transformer Load An 1937 photo from the Huntington Library: https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693 This photo can be enlarged quite a bit. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Friends, This car is unusual in having leaf springs instead of coils. I couldn't find any mention in Tony Thompson's book of leaf springs. The car is an F-50-12 built in 1928-29. The two photos I found in his book appear to have coil springs, and the GA diagram has no call-outs for any special equipment. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 12:53 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Paul Doggett
Owl mountain does a kit for this car and several others in the range of SP flat cars. Paul Doggett. England 🏴
On 15 Jan 2021, at 20:20, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
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brianleppert@att.net
The flat car is clearly stenciled above the left hand truck "CAPY 140000", making it a 70 ton capacity car.. So it can't be a F-50-12 class flat car, can it?
Brian Leppert Carson City, NV
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Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Brian, The number puts it in the F-50-12 series. I suspect it was a special conversion, maybe just for this movement and it was later returned to general service. Otherwise, why it was not renumbered or reclassed, I can't say. This looks like a job for Tony to explain. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
The flat car is clearly stenciled above the left hand truck "CAPY 140000", making it a 70 ton capacity car.. So it can't be a F-50-12 class flat car, can it?
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Garth, Folks,
Photo taken 4/8/1937. Reweigh 3/37. That supports a reweight immediately or nearly before loading this transformer. 😉
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 3:58 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP Flat Car 43595 With Transformer Load Brian,
The number puts it in the F-50-12 series. I suspect it was a special conversion, maybe just for this movement and it was later returned to general service. Otherwise, why it was not renumbered or reclassed, I can't say.
This looks like a job for Tony to explain.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff 🦆
The flat car is clearly stenciled above the left hand truck "CAPY 140000", making it a 70 ton capacity car.. So it can't be a F-50-12 class flat car, can it?
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brianleppert@att.net
I agree with Garth and Bruce.
The leaf-sprung trucks look like they were once under a steam locomotive tender. Someone at SP must have determined the F-50-12 underframe could handle the transformer's weight. But why not just use a 70-ton flat car? Length too long? Brian Leppert Carson City, NV
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From the 7-37 ORER
FM flat all steel 43191 to 43690 100000 lbs. capacity 497 cars note PPP 120000 lbs. capacity 2 cars 43386 43595 There are 2 other notes listing changes in capacity - both from 80000 lbs to 100000 lbs. and from different # series. From the 7-39 ORER FM flat all steel 43191 to 43690 100000 lbs. capacity 495 cars There are no notes for special capacity flat cars listed in 7-39 ORER for this # series. I'm sorry but I don't have any ORER's between these. There may have been a second capacity change on the 2 PPP note cars from 7-37 and a 10-37 or there abouts ORER might show if that is the case. Dan Smith
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There are no 70t, 1400000 lbs capacity flats listed in either the 7-37 or 7-39 ORER's for SP.
Tony may need to chime in here but I think SP got it's first 70T flats in 1940, if memory serves and I don't have to rush to find Tony's book. Dan Smith
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Oops, listing for one 70t car, 49679, listed in the 7-39 ORER.
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At 01:00 PM 1/15/2021, brianleppert@att.net wrote:
The flat car is clearly stenciled above the left hand truck "CAPY 140000", making it a 70 ton capacity car.. So it can't be a F-50-12 class flat car, can it?Sure it can... A quick shop change to 70-ton trucks...because an important shipper has a LARGE load: Voila! SP Freight Cars Vol 3, p 220 lists F-70-1 as a single car: SP 49679... p221 'The "missing' 400th car was the experimental F-70-1, car no 49679.' Photo on 4-8-1937 as SP 43595 https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693 Two days later, 4-10-1937, with SAME load... as SP 49679 https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879 -------------------- Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA --------------------
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Richard Brennan wrote:
Photo on 4-8-1937 as SP 43595 https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693 Two days later, 4-10-1937, with SAME load... as SP 49679 https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879 I'm not sure if this is to imply that these 2 cars are the same car ? The same actual load ? SP 43595 is an F-50-12 class car, 40' 10" length, with 70t trucks added. A temporary expedient ? Not listed in notes in the 7-39 ORER. SP 49679 is an F-70-1 class car, 52' length, according to Tony's book. But the 7-37 ORER lists it as an F-50-14, the last in it's # series. Were these trucks added for this load ? Kept with the car creating a new one off class ? This might be a good question for Tony to chime in on. Was car 49679 built as a 70t car? As class F-70-1 ? Or was this car converted after delivery from an F-50-14 ? And then kept that way ? Car listed as 70t car in 3-39 ORER. An interesting tidbit, Dan Smith
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akerboomk
RE: Photo on 4-8-1937 as SP 43595
Look like different cars to me? - Trucks different - 595 has a stake pocket behind side grabs, 679 not. - Side completely flat on 679, looks like it is “stepped”(??) on 575
Ken -- Ken Akerboom
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The second car has coil sprung trucks. Just FYI.
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Thanks! Brian Ehni (Sent from my iPhone)
On Jan 15, 2021, at 9:03 PM, Dan Smith <espeefan@...> wrote:
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