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Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108


Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

Three photos of the same boxcar from the Lakes States Archives:

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-fgKGH6F/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-5bXDpNN/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-DHcTBSC/A

Does anyone know who the car builder was?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bob and Friends,

No idea who built SLG&W 108, but the car is rather unusual. The upper end panel is a reverse/indented/innie/whatever stamping, while the lower panel is a typical Dreadnaught "outie". I've never seen a mix like this before, but it might give us an idea of from where the car came. There can't have been too many cars built or rebuilt like this.

The car is obviously not in interchange service, since dimensional lettering is lacking on the right end of the car side.  My October 1958 ORER says the SLG&W owned three boxcars, two tank cars, one flat car, and seven passenger cars, with the added note, "Freight cars owned are not employed in commercial service."

Here's the Wikipedia article on the SLG&W: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake,_Garfield_and_Western_Railway . Interesting that boxcar 100 had been used to haul hides, and survives on the Heber Valley Railroad (the Heber Valley RR web site does not list any freight cars). Perhaps that was how the other boxcars were used as well, but that's "commerical service", even if restricted.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 11:40 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

Three photos of the same boxcar from the Lakes States Archives:

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-fgKGH6F/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-5bXDpNN/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-DHcTBSC/A

Does anyone know who the car builder was?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


brianleppert@att.net
 

Looks like a SP B-50-13 or 14.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Bill Welch
 

Brian is correct I think.

Bill Welch


Paul Doggett
 

Definitely looks like an SP B50-14 
Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


mel perry
 

i'm looking at.the pic, and i'm not seeing
what you are, the upper panel, is an
"outie", look at the corners, where the
short indents are, they are on the same
plane as the main ribs
mel perry

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019, 10:05 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Bob and Friends,

No idea who built SLG&W 108, but the car is rather unusual. The upper end panel is a reverse/indented/innie/whatever stamping, while the lower panel is a typical Dreadnaught "outie". I've never seen a mix like this before, but it might give us an idea of from where the car came. There can't have been too many cars built or rebuilt like this.

The car is obviously not in interchange service, since dimensional lettering is lacking on the right end of the car side.  My October 1958 ORER says the SLG&W owned three boxcars, two tank cars, one flat car, and seven passenger cars, with the added note, "Freight cars owned are not employed in commercial service."

Here's the Wikipedia article on the SLG&W: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake,_Garfield_and_Western_Railway . Interesting that boxcar 100 had been used to haul hides, and survives on the Heber Valley Railroad (the Heber Valley RR web site does not list any freight cars). Perhaps that was how the other boxcars were used as well, but that's "commerical service", even if restricted.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 11:40 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

Three photos of the same boxcar from the Lakes States Archives:

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-fgKGH6F/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-5bXDpNN/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-DHcTBSC/A

Does anyone know who the car builder was?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Eric Lombard
 

I, too, agree: SP System B-50-14 or B-50-14A. The former were built 1924 by SSC. Starting about 1932 most were rebuilt to Dreadnaught square corner 4-5 ends. Those that also got new bolsters and draft gear were classed B-50-14A. The ends did NOT have a reverse stamping in the upper panel, just the usual. Other photos of both the A and B ends of SLG&W 108 and SP System cars show that is so when the lighting is better. Many small details of rivet patterns confirm the rebuilt B-50-14 / -14A origin for #108. The cars were built with three kinds of roofs: early Viking, Hutchins Dry Lading, and Murphy Radial. Photos of #108 remove series with Murphy Radial from consideration. I'm not confident guessing between Viking or Hutchins based of the photos available to me. The outboard "bolt" on the seam caps seems rather more prominent than on a Hutchins Dry Lading perhaps indicating Viking? The 1956+ SP system-wide renumbering the remaining cars were renumbered into SP 111171-111534. The ORER indicates 182 of these cars  in 10-1960. There

It is possible that #108 came to the  SLG&W any time from the 1939 on. There are increases in the ORER box car count in 1939 (0 to 2), 1956 (1 to 2), between 1956 and 1958 (2 to 3) that may be clues. The earliest dated photos of #108 are 1960.

O'Boyle, P. 1994 SP B-50-14 rebuilds Mainline Modeler, Vol. 15, No. 12: 46-47
Lofton, M. 1994 Southern Pacific B-50-13/14 Boxcars Mainline Modeler, Vol. 15, No. 11: 39-47
Thompson, A. W. 2006 Southern Pacific Freight Cars, Volume 4.  

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL
As usual the Professor cannot stick to just telling the time, first he must instruct on building the clock

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 2:17 PM Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Definitely looks like an SP B50-14 
Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


mel perry
 

just an add on, hundman did an article in
MM, describing how.to build a viking
radial roof, abd you correct regarding
the bolt heads, that was the identifing
charateristic of that roof, sorry can't
ptovife the issue, my collection got
recycled by accident, try late 80's or
early 90's
mel perry

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019, 1:57 PM Eric Lombard <elombard@...> wrote:
I, too, agree: SP System B-50-14 or B-50-14A. The former were built 1924 by SSC. Starting about 1932 most were rebuilt to Dreadnaught square corner 4-5 ends. Those that also got new bolsters and draft gear were classed B-50-14A. The ends did NOT have a reverse stamping in the upper panel, just the usual. Other photos of both the A and B ends of SLG&W 108 and SP System cars show that is so when the lighting is better. Many small details of rivet patterns confirm the rebuilt B-50-14 / -14A origin for #108. The cars were built with three kinds of roofs: early Viking, Hutchins Dry Lading, and Murphy Radial. Photos of #108 remove series with Murphy Radial from consideration. I'm not confident guessing between Viking or Hutchins based of the photos available to me. The outboard "bolt" on the seam caps seems rather more prominent than on a Hutchins Dry Lading perhaps indicating Viking? The 1956+ SP system-wide renumbering the remaining cars were renumbered into SP 111171-111534. The ORER indicates 182 of these cars  in 10-1960. There

It is possible that #108 came to the  SLG&W any time from the 1939 on. There are increases in the ORER box car count in 1939 (0 to 2), 1956 (1 to 2), between 1956 and 1958 (2 to 3) that may be clues. The earliest dated photos of #108 are 1960.

O'Boyle, P. 1994 SP B-50-14 rebuilds Mainline Modeler, Vol. 15, No. 12: 46-47
Lofton, M. 1994 Southern Pacific B-50-13/14 Boxcars Mainline Modeler, Vol. 15, No. 11: 39-47
Thompson, A. W. 2006 Southern Pacific Freight Cars, Volume 4.  

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL
As usual the Professor cannot stick to just telling the time, first he must instruct on building the clock

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 2:17 PM Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Definitely looks like an SP B50-14 
Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Mel,

O.K., but the top edge of the upper wale right above the end lettering does not register well in the photo, giving the impression that the wale is continuous onto the flat section below the roof fascia. So this is a optional delusion.

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆


On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 3:59 PM mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:
i'm looking at.the pic, and i'm not seeing
what you are, the upper panel, is an
"outie", look at the corners, where the
short indents are, they are on the same
plane as the main ribs
mel perry

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019, 10:05 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Bob and Friends,

No idea who built SLG&W 108, but the car is rather unusual. The upper end panel is a reverse/indented/innie/whatever stamping, while the lower panel is a typical Dreadnaught "outie". I've never seen a mix like this before, but it might give us an idea of from where the car came. There can't have been too many cars built or rebuilt like this.

The car is obviously not in interchange service, since dimensional lettering is lacking on the right end of the car side.  My October 1958 ORER says the SLG&W owned three boxcars, two tank cars, one flat car, and seven passenger cars, with the added note, "Freight cars owned are not employed in commercial service."

Here's the Wikipedia article on the SLG&W: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake,_Garfield_and_Western_Railway . Interesting that boxcar 100 had been used to haul hides, and survives on the Heber Valley Railroad (the Heber Valley RR web site does not list any freight cars). Perhaps that was how the other boxcars were used as well, but that's "commerical service", even if restricted.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 11:40 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

Three photos of the same boxcar from the Lakes States Archives:

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-fgKGH6F/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-5bXDpNN/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-DHcTBSC/A

Does anyone know who the car builder was?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


mel perry
 

regretfully, as previously stated, by MM
collection was recycled, however i
remember hundman had included
original drawimgs of the roof and
its components, hopefully someone
on this list had a MM collection snd
remrmbers this article
mel perry

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019, 3:07 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Mel,

O.K., but the top edge of the upper wale right above the end lettering does not register well in the photo, giving the impression that the wale is continuous onto the flat section below the roof fascia. So this is a optional delusion.

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆


On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 3:59 PM mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:
i'm looking at.the pic, and i'm not seeing
what you are, the upper panel, is an
"outie", look at the corners, where the
short indents are, they are on the same
plane as the main ribs
mel perry

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019, 10:05 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Bob and Friends,

No idea who built SLG&W 108, but the car is rather unusual. The upper end panel is a reverse/indented/innie/whatever stamping, while the lower panel is a typical Dreadnaught "outie". I've never seen a mix like this before, but it might give us an idea of from where the car came. There can't have been too many cars built or rebuilt like this.

The car is obviously not in interchange service, since dimensional lettering is lacking on the right end of the car side.  My October 1958 ORER says the SLG&W owned three boxcars, two tank cars, one flat car, and seven passenger cars, with the added note, "Freight cars owned are not employed in commercial service."

Here's the Wikipedia article on the SLG&W: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake,_Garfield_and_Western_Railway . Interesting that boxcar 100 had been used to haul hides, and survives on the Heber Valley Railroad (the Heber Valley RR web site does not list any freight cars). Perhaps that was how the other boxcars were used as well, but that's "commerical service", even if restricted.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 11:40 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

Three photos of the same boxcar from the Lakes States Archives:

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-fgKGH6F/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-5bXDpNN/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-DHcTBSC/A

Does anyone know who the car builder was?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA