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pre PS1 box cars

Clark Propst
 

Didn't want to put PS-0 in the subject line. A friend is building the old green dot kit which only has the main body pieces. I had good photo of the CGW and NKP cars. I searched my magazine collection for any articles, but couldn't find any. I don't know who all owned them or if there were any differences between owners.

Both my friend and I was find any information useful and appreciated,
Clark Propst

Jeffrey White
 

Are these the "kit cars" PS sold to the railroads prior to the PS1s?  I have some documentation the IC bought some and built them at their Centralia Car Shops in 1947.

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 1/25/2023 12:32 PM, Clark Propst via groups.io wrote:

Didn't want to put PS-0 in the subject line. A friend is building the old green dot kit which only has the main body pieces. I had good photo of the CGW and NKP cars. I searched my magazine collection for any articles, but couldn't find any. I don't know who all owned them or if there were any differences between owners.

Both my friend and I was find any information useful and appreciated,
Clark Propst

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst asked:
"Didn't want to put PS-0 in the subject line. A friend is building the old green dot kit which only has the main body pieces. I had good photo of the CGW and NKP cars. I searched my magazine collection for any articles, but couldn't find any. I don't know who all owned them or if there were any differences between owners."

These should help:
Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Vol 31-32, Lightweight House Cars (Part 2), Pat Wider
"P-S 40 ft Boxcars: The Development Years 1939-1946", Model RailroadING, February 1987
"Pullman 1940 Welded Boxcar", Mainline Modeler, February 1988, John Nehrich
"The Pre-War PS-0 Boxcars: Part I", Railmodel Journal, November 1993, Ed Hawkins
"The Pre-War PS-0 Boxcars: Part II", Railmodel Journal, February 1994, Richard Hendrickson
"P-S AAR Box Cars with Proprietary Ends", Railmodel Journal, March 2001, Stan Rydarowicz


Ben Hom

Benjamin Hom
 

Jeff White asked:
"Are these the "kit cars" PS sold to the railroads prior to the PS1s?  I have some documentation the IC bought some and built them at their Centralia Car Shops in 1947."

No.  These are the pre-WWII lightweight boxcars modeled by Funaro here:


Ben Hom



Jeffrey White
 

Thanks Ben. They bought 1000 40 ton boxcars from Pullman Standard in 1940, 20000-20999.  The drawing in the diagram book doesn't show as many panels as the FandC model.  Here's a photo, 10 panel ends so it's probably not the same car.


Jeff White

Alma IL

On 1/25/2023 12:48 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:

Jeff White asked:
"Are these the "kit cars" PS sold to the railroads prior to the PS1s?  I have some documentation the IC bought some and built them at their Centralia Car Shops in 1947."

No.  These are the pre-WWII lightweight boxcars modeled by Funaro here:


Ben Hom



greg snook
 

Good afternoon,
I'm struggling through the F&C kit now.
Instructions note
100-B&LE
50-CGW
50-UP

Improved underframe:
200-NKP
200-W&LEqlw
100-PM

RPCyc 31-32 has been very helpful.
I'll be using Yarmouth 18", 7 rung ladders, they seem to match photos in the cyc.  Not sure what I am doing for grabs yet.  The sill step has an extra brace on the UP cars, and the running board support is...funky.

Cheers
Greg

Philip Dove
 

Information taken from the F&C instruction sheet for " PS-0 40' 1938 Pullman Welded Boxcar" sic. 
 1938 "200 cars were constructed, 100 cars going to the Bessemer & Lake Erie with 6even panel Superior doors, 50 to the Chicago Great Western 6 uneven panel Superior doors and 50 to the Union Pacific as follows:The first 25 featured regular dreadnought ends, Murphy Panel roof and Creco doors, the balance matched the CGW cars"........ A second group of 500 was constructed in 1940. These improved cars featured an end with one additional "dart", and seven panel doors. The major change was th underframe, with three longitudinal members between the side sill and center sill - essentially a PS - 1 underframe."............." (200) Nickel Plate Road. (200) Wheeling and Lake Erie and 100 Pere Marquette. 
 Hope this helps. 

Tim O'Connor
 


Also imported in HO scale brass by A.W.E.

I think we just call them Pullman lightweight welded box cars now.

But PS-0 is just easier to say, albeit inaccurate. :-)


On 1/25/2023 1:48 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:

Jeff White asked:
"Are these the "kit cars" PS sold to the railroads prior to the PS1s?  I have some documentation the IC bought some and built them at their Centralia Car Shops in 1947."

No.  These are the pre-WWII lightweight boxcars modeled by Funaro here:


Ben Hom


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Tim O'Connor
 


B&LE  90101- 90200 blt 1938 6' 6p SUP lot 5584
CGW   90000- 90049 blt 1938 6' 6p SUP lot 5584
UP   186000-186049 blt 1938 6' 6p SUP lot 5584
RI   149051-       blt 1939 6' 6p SUP
NKP   20000- 20199 blt 1940 6' 7p SUP lot 5604A
PM    84000- 84099 blt 1940 6' 7p SUP lot 5604B
W&LE  26000- 26199 blt 1940 6' 7p SUP lot 5604C

The NKP also bought even more lightweight welded box cars from ACF than from PS - series 20200-20499
( The NKP served both St Louis and Chicago, so I guess it bought "local" :-) )

On 1/25/2023 4:23 PM, greg snook wrote:

Good afternoon,
I'm struggling through the F&C kit now.
Instructions note
100-B&LE
50-CGW
50-UP

Improved underframe:
200-NKP
200-W&LE
100-PM

RPCyc 31-32 has been very helpful.
I'll be using Yarmouth 18", 7 rung ladders, they seem to match photos in the cyc.  Not sure what I am doing for grabs yet.  The sill step has an extra brace on the UP cars, and the running board support is...funky.

Cheers
Greg


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Tim O'Connor
 


The IC continued to buy whole or partial kits for a much longer time period. But these particular
PS-0 (sorry) cars were not purchased by the IC nor were they sold as kits.

This is the IC car built in 1947 (29500-30499). If they were a PS kit they still included SRE dreadnaught
ends and SRE rectangular panel roofs. Pullman Standard built whatever the buyer wanted, welded or riveted,
with or without PS proprietary parts.



On 1/25/2023 1:43 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

Are these the "kit cars" PS sold to the railroads prior to the PS1s?  I have some documentation the IC bought some and built them at their Centralia Car Shops in 1947.

Jeff White

Alma IL


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Benjamin Scanlon
 
Edited

I probly have more photos than is good for me. As usual, I have no idea whose photo, so please say if you know, & I can credit them or otherwise respect owner's wishes.

I noted the radial roof. 


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Ben Scanlon
Tottenham, England

Tim O'Connor
 


July 10, 1945 photo, Minneapolis MN

No idea of the photographer - image was also posted to Ebay years ago


On 1/26/2023 9:34 AM, Benjamin Scanlon via groups.io wrote:

I probly have more photos than is good for me. As usual, I have no idea whose photo, so please say if you know, & I can credit them or otherwise respect owner's wishes. 

Ben Scanlon
Tottenham, England

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Philip Dove
 

Thank you Ben. A potentially useful photo for me as l have the F&C kit. Can anyone tell me why the large lettering often looks slightly indistinct and blurred as in this photo? Is it a highly reflective paint? Has the painter not put the stencil right on the car side when spraying painting? Is it a self cleaning paint that wears away as it gets dirty to reveal another layer of clean paint? Any definite answers appreciated. 

loumickie
 

All,

I happen to be working on this F&C kits as well. Does anyone have a picture of the Pere Marquette prototype? I searched but no luck so far.

Thanks,
Lou

Mark Kapka
 


Hope this helps

Mark Kapka

On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:25 PM, loumickie <loumickie@...> wrote:

All,

I happen to be working on this F&C kits as well. Does anyone have a picture of the Pere Marquette prototype? I searched but no luck so far.

Thanks,
Lou

Tim O'Connor
 


Did these PM cars end up on the C&O? If so, do you know the number series?


On 2/13/2023 3:46 PM, Mark Kapka wrote:
Hope this helps

Mark Kapka
On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:25 PM, loumickie <loumickie@...> wrote:
All,
I happen to be working on this F&C kits as well. Does anyone have a picture of the Pere Marquette prototype? I searched but no luck so far.
Thanks,
Lou

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Andy Cummings
 

Tim,

Most, if not all, ex-Pere Marquette cars simply had a 2 added to the front of their numbers when renumbered into the C&O fleet post-merger. These cars did become C&O cars and were in the 284000-284099 series once renumbered. 

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Andy Cummings
Houston, TX

loumickie
 

Mark,

Thanks for the photo, it will b e a big help in my build. Appreciate it...

loumickie
 

Interesting that they applied a whitewash to the underframe for the publicity photo. Might be interesting to model it that way.

Tony Thompson
 

The whitewash used for underframes (or the builder gray used for some photos) was hosed off before delivery, so modeling it would seem a little odd, unless you’re modeling the builder’s yard.

Tony Thompson
tony@...

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