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PRR X31A facts you want to know
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mel perry
clear decal film, as a representation? mel perry
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020, 4:47 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
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Mel,
There are at least 4 approaches that I know of:
1) Clear (thick) decal film
2) archer weld line decals (Bill W's favorite way right now)
3) etched metal appliques (I've done this. It's not easy but has a nice effect)
4) Bare metal foil (or equivalent) - like decal film, this is super easy and the rivets below show through, make it look appropriately riveted!
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 6:53 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X31A facts you want to know clear decal film, as a representation?
mel perry
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020, 4:47 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
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Method #5 - plastic self adhesive tape from an electronic label maker - easier to apply than the bare metal foil and can be stretched a little if necessary. Easily cut into shapes (gusset plates etc)
On 6/18/2020 7:57 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Before anybody gets really annoyed at Bruce for number two. He meant archer panel line decals. Archer also makes weld line decals which are meant for armor guys and you definitely don’t want to use In HO scale
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Brian J. Carlson
On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
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Andy Carlson
Or equally useful, the very thin polymer peel & stick product, Monokote Trim. An RC item which I am constantly finding plenty of uses for it. Sticks well and holds rivet impressions. It is available in dozens of different colors, so a patch color choice may eliminate paint touch-up. About 3 x 30 inches and less than $7. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
On Thursday, June 18, 2020, 5:09:06 PM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Method #5 - plastic self adhesive tape from an electronic label maker - easier to apply than the bare metal foil and can be stretched a little if necessary. Easily cut into shapes (gusset plates etc) this is super easy and the rivets below show through, make it look appropriately riveted!
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Bill Welch
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 08:14 PM, Brian Carlson wrote:
Before anybody gets really annoyed at Bruce for number two. He meant archer panel line decals. Archer also makes weld line decals which are meant for armor guys and you definitely don’t want to use In HO scale 2) archer weld line decals (Bill W's favorite way right now)
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
NO, the Decals Bruce is referring are Archer's Aircraft Panel Lines that I use to represent weld lines. They are printed in three sizes and I use the narrowest set. Here are photos showing their application on a Sunshine X28A.
Bill Welch
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Andy Cool! I'd never heard of this before. I see 5" x 36" sheets for sale for $2.99 - from an actual hobby shop! :-D https://www.centralhobbies.com/cat4.php?cat=2&subcat=13&sub2cat=7
On 6/18/2020 8:47 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Richard Townsend
Does it take paint well? Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2020 5:47 pm Subject: [RealSTMFC] PRR X31A facts you want to know Or equally useful, the very thin polymer peel & stick product, Monokote Trim. An RC item which I am constantly finding plenty of uses for it. Sticks well and holds rivet impressions. It is available in dozens of different colors, so a patch color choice may eliminate paint touch-up. About 3 x 30 inches and less than $7.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
On Thursday, June 18, 2020, 5:09:06 PM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Method #5 - plastic self adhesive tape from an electronic label maker - easier to apply than the bare metal foil and can be stretched a little if necessary. Easily cut into shapes (gusset plates etc) this is super easy and the rivets below show through, make it look appropriately riveted!
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Andy Carlson
Steel wool takes a lot of the shine off which makes paint adhesion better. I think years ago I tried painting an unscuffed trim with Accupaint with 30 percent added auto finish supply shop's universal flex additive and that seemed to work well at the time. I have only white and chrome Monokote Trim and never have painted the chrome. The chrome is used for making stainless steel using the Highliners' Paul Lubliner's technique of stainless steel replication in HO scale. Basically he uses a very thin lacquer wash of purple over chrome. Works on plastic vacumm chrome as well, but totally a failure on fine grounded pigment silver or aluminum paint. Needs to be 100 percent mirror-reflective smooth to work well. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
On Thursday, June 18, 2020, 6:51:41 PM PDT, Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend@...> wrote:
Does it take paint well? Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
-----Original Message----- From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2020 5:47 pm Subject: [RealSTMFC] PRR X31A facts you want to know Or equally useful, the very thin polymer peel & stick product, Monokote Trim. An RC item which I am constantly finding plenty of uses for it. Sticks well and holds rivet impressions. It is available in dozens of different colors, so a patch color choice may eliminate paint touch-up. About 3 x 30 inches and less than $7.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA _._,_._,_
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Chuck Cover
RE: Method #5 - plastic self adhesive tape from an electronic label maker - easier to apply than
Chuck Cover Santa Fe, NM
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Benjamin Hom
Tim O'Connor wrote: "Method #5 - plastic self adhesive tape from an electronic label maker - easier to apply than the bare metal foil and can be stretched a little if necessary. Easily cut into shapes (gusset plates, etc.)" Chuck Cover asked: "Can you give us more information on this product? I am not sure what you are describing." Here's an example - Dymo sells a similar product for their label makers: This isn't the old thick embossed label stock for the manual hand-held label makers - this is a peel-and-stick printable tape. It works nicely - here's a Walthers (ex-Train Miniature) Class X29 boxcar that has patch panels made from this material. It was a bit difficult getting it over the large rivets of the old model, but I do like the effect more than decals (which tend to disappear under the paint) and Bare-Metal Foil (which I find to be too subtle). Ben Hom
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vincent altiere <steel77086@...>
Hello Ben,
Did you use 1/2 inch tape on your car?? I would think 1/4 inch would be better. Please let me know.
Vince Altiere
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From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Sent: Fri, Jun 19, 2020 9:45 am Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X31A facts you want to know Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Method #5 - plastic self adhesive tape from an electronic label maker - easier to apply than the bare metal foil and can be stretched a little if necessary. Easily cut into shapes (gusset plates, etc.)" Chuck Cover asked:
"Can you give us more information on this product? I am not sure what you are describing." Here's an example - Dymo sells a similar product for their label makers:
This isn't the old thick embossed label stock for the manual hand-held label makers - this is a peel-and-stick printable tape. It works nicely - here's a Walthers (ex-Train Miniature) Class X29 boxcar that has patch panels made from this material. It was a bit difficult getting it over the large rivets of the old model, but I do like the effect more than decals (which tend to disappear under the paint) and Bare-Metal Foil (which I find to be too subtle).
Ben Hom
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Benjamin Hom
Vince Altiere asked: "Did you use 1/2 inch tape on your car?? I would think 1/4 inch would be better. Please let me know." As Tim posted, you trim it as necessary. Ben Hom
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vincent altiere <steel77086@...>
Thanks Ben.
Vince Altiere
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From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Sent: Fri, Jun 19, 2020 11:01 am Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X31A facts you want to know Vince Altiere asked:
"Did you use 1/2 inch tape on your car?? I would think 1/4 inch would be better. Please let me know."
As Tim posted, you trim it as necessary.
Ben Hom
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Chuck Cover
Sounds like a good solution. Thanks Ben
Chuck Cover Santa Fe, NM
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Curt Fortenberry
If you emboss rivets in thin styrene sheets, an old plastic modelers
trick is to fill the dimples with putty. that way you stand less chance of disturbing them with solvent. Curt Fortenberry
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John Barry
Brother also makes one. The tape is available in 6, 9, 12, 18 and 24 mm widths. Another adaptive use for the product I use to label the drawers containing the layout supplies like turnouts, bridge kits, and trucks. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
On Friday, June 19, 2020, 09:45:15 AM EDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote: "Method #5 - plastic self adhesive tape from an electronic label maker - easier to apply than the bare metal foil and can be stretched a little if necessary. Easily cut into shapes (gusset plates, etc.)" Chuck Cover asked: "Can you give us more information on this product? I am not sure what you are describing." Here's an example - Dymo sells a similar product for their label makers: This isn't the old thick embossed label stock for the manual hand-held label makers - this is a peel-and-stick printable tape. It works nicely - here's a Walthers (ex-Train Miniature) Class X29 boxcar that has patch panels made from this material. It was a bit difficult getting it over the large rivets of the old model, but I do like the effect more than decals (which tend to disappear under the paint) and Bare-Metal Foil (which I find to be too subtle). Ben Hom
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Or you could use clear acrylic (e.g. Future) as an initial 'adhesive' that will harden (and self level) over 24 hrs and then touch the edges with MEK for capillary action that fixes it permanently in place. :-)
On 6/19/2020 1:11 PM, Curt Fortenberry wrote:
If you emboss rivets in thin styrene sheets, an old plastic modelers trick is to fill the dimples with putty. that way you stand less chance of disturbing them with solvent. Curt Fortenberry --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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