Rare Tank Cars


Steve and Barb Hile
 

This is a wild chase for rare tank car photos.

 

Has anyone seen any photos of tank cars associated with Bradford Oil Refining Company (reporting marks APOX) or Bradford Gasoline Company (BBSX marks)?  These two apparently related companies had a total of 50 tank cars in the mid 1920’s.

 

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Steve Hile


John Barry
 

Steve,

No photos, but we can extend our search time to the mid-forties.  BBSX was still listed in the October 1945 ORER although APOX had disappeared by the January 1943 edition.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 






On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 02:39:55 PM EDT, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:


This is a wild chase for rare tank car photos.

 

Has anyone seen any photos of tank cars associated with Bradford Oil Refining Company (reporting marks APOX) or Bradford Gasoline Company (BBSX marks)?  These two apparently related companies had a total of 50 tank cars in the mid 1920’s.

 

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Steve Hile


Tim O'Connor
 


Judging by the graffiti but also because of the hidden car behind it, I think this is
a post-STMFC era photo.


On 3/18/2023 2:39 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:

This is a wild chase for rare tank car photos.

 

Has anyone seen any photos of tank cars associated with Bradford Oil Refining Company (reporting marks APOX) or Bradford Gasoline Company (BBSX marks)?  These two apparently related companies had a total of 50 tank cars in the mid 1920’s.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Steve Hile

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Dave Parker
 

On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 03:03 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Judging by the graffiti but also because of the hidden car behind it, I think this is
a post-STMFC era photo.
Could well be, but it's very much a steam-era car (note the single rivet rows).  The figure caption implies Alabama Power ownership, but I think this an Anderson-Pritchard Oil Corp car -- it seems to match #258 in the 1955 tariff exactly.

Not that it helps too much with Steve's original query about BBSX and APOX cars in the 1920s.  Ian Cranstone's always-helpful tabulation of reporting marks suggests that APOX may have enjoyed five different uses over the years and, while the first four are all petroleum related, I can't find any connection between Bradford's use (which ended ~1937) and the reappearance of APOX as an Anderson-Pritchard RM in the early 1950s (BTW, Alabama Power's use of the RM didn't come until the 1990s it seems).

And, there is no indication that either Bradford company had any multi-compartment cars at any time.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


nyc3001 .
 

Proto 2000 made an APOX Type 21 tank, but I don’t remember seeing a prototype photo. I vaguely remember that Richard Hendrickson (?) wrote an article about Type 21s in a magazine in the 1980s or 90s

-Phil Lee

On Mar 18, 2023, at 6:42 PM, Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> wrote:

On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 03:03 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Judging by the graffiti but also because of the hidden car behind it, I think this is
a post-STMFC era photo.
Could well be, but it's very much a steam-era car (note the single rivet rows).  The figure caption implies Alabama Power ownership, but I think this an Anderson-Pritchard Oil Corp car -- it seems to match #258 in the 1955 tariff exactly.

Not that it helps too much with Steve's original query about BBSX and APOX cars in the 1920s.  Ian Cranstone's always-helpful tabulation of reporting marks suggests that APOX may have enjoyed five different uses over the years and, while the first four are all petroleum related, I can't find any connection between Bradford's use (which ended ~1937) and the reappearance of APOX as an Anderson-Pritchard RM in the early 1950s (BTW, Alabama Power's use of the RM didn't come until the 1990s it seems).

And, there is no indication that either Bradford company had any multi-compartment cars at any time.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Steve and Barb Hile
 

Thanks, Tim

 

An interesting car.  Sadly, we are looking for a company that used APOX marks in the 20’s and 30’s.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 5:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rare Tank Cars

 


Judging by the graffiti but also because of the hidden car behind it, I think this is
a post-STMFC era photo.


On 3/18/2023 2:39 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:

This is a wild chase for rare tank car photos.

 

Has anyone seen any photos of tank cars associated with Bradford Oil Refining Company (reporting marks APOX) or Bradford Gasoline Company (BBSX marks)?  These two apparently related companies had a total of 50 tank cars in the mid 1920’s.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Steve Hile

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--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Douglas Harding
 

Steve, you probably already know this. This website on the Anderson Pritchard Oil Co https://andersonprichardoil.com/ has a few photos of corporate gifts, including a tankcar model (looks to be HO) https://andersonprichardoil.com/project/corporate-products/. As a corporate gift I would assume the paint scheme is accurate, even it the model is not. But it does not specify if it is an early or late paint scheme. The reporting marks are NATX, from http://freightcars.nakina.net/index.html

 

 

NATX

North American Tank Line (North American Car Co.)

8/1920-7/1923

NATX

North American Tank Line (North American Car Corp.)

7/1930-7/1935

NATX

North American Tank Line

7/1937-4/1938

NATX

North American Tank Line (North American Car Corp.)

1/1941-4/1947

NATX

North American Car Corp.

1/1950-1/1980; eliminated 1/1984

NATX

General Electric Railcar Services Corp.

added 1/1984; 1/1994; eliminated 1/2000

NATX

General Electric Rail Services Corp.

added 1/2000; 7/2000-7/2005; eliminated 4/2016

NATX

Union Tank Car Co.

added 4/2016

 

 

APOX

Bradford Oil Refining Co.

7/1923-7/1936; 7/1937 (unlisted)

APOX

Kanotex Refining Co.

eliminated 10/1953

APOX

Anderson-Pritchard Oil Corp.

added 10/1953; 7/1954-4/1961; eliminated 7/1961

APOX

Apco Oil Corp.

added 7/1961; 7/1965-4/1970; eliminated 1/1974

APOX

Alabama Power Co.

added 4/1998; eliminated 7/1999; 7/2000-7/2005

 

 

BBSX

The B.B. Stroud Co.

8/1920

BBSX

The B.B. Stroud Co. (The Bradford Gasoline Co.)

7/1923-7/1935

BBSX

The Bradford Gasoline Co.

7/1935-1/1946

 

 

A PK2 tankcar kit with APOX reporting marks is on eBay https://www.ebay.com/itm/373028640573

And here is a tankcar painted with what I recall is the actual Apco logo colors from the 60s

 

Here is a roster of tankcars in 1950 https://jbritton.pennsyrr.com/index.php/tpm/97-interchange-ownership-of-tank-cars-in-1950?fbclid=IwAR1hCQ7Vy2vCFGNwVx44sap0vC3e3nwhCttP7ZfwE9650IEVYmCgIFroqnk

No listing for APOX or BBSX. Makes me suspect the LikeLike car is wearing a post 1960 paint scheme, as I can remember seeing the Apco Oil Co sign when I was a kid, ie the 60s.

 

And here are some of the signs used by Apco gas stations through the years, which I found on Pinterest. None are black and white, so it appears LifeLike got it wrong most likely from using a b/w photo.

 

Doug Harding

https://www.facebook.com/douglas.harding.3156/

Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad

 


John Monrad
 

On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 04:18 PM, nyc3001 . wrote:
Proto 2000 made an APOX Type 21 tank, but I don’t remember seeing a prototype photo. I vaguely remember that Richard Hendrickson (?) wrote an article about Type 21s in a magazine in the 1980s or 90s
 
-Phil Lee
Hendrickson, R.,  AC&F Type 21 Tank Cars from the Proto 2000 HO kits: Paint & Decals:  RMJ, February, 1998.
 
Hendrickson, R.,  AC&F Type 21 Tank Cars, Part II: 10,000 Gallon Cars From Proto 2000 HO kits:  RMJ, January, 2000.

John Monrad
 


Steve and Barb Hile
 

Thanks, Doug.

 

I should have been clearer in my request.  What we seek are the two Bradford companies from the 1920’s and 30’s.

 

We do know that the 5 earliest BBSX cars were leased from General American as early as 1917 and they purchased another 10 cars from General American in 1922.

 

Thanks again,

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 10:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rare Tank Cars

 

Steve, you probably already know this. This website on the Anderson Pritchard Oil Co https://andersonprichardoil.com/ has a few photos of corporate gifts, including a tankcar model (looks to be HO) https://andersonprichardoil.com/project/corporate-products/. As a corporate gift I would assume the paint scheme is accurate, even it the model is not. But it does not specify if it is an early or late paint scheme. The reporting marks are NATX, from http://freightcars.nakina.net/index.html

 

 

NATX

North American Tank Line (North American Car Co.)

8/1920-7/1923

NATX

North American Tank Line (North American Car Corp.)

7/1930-7/1935

NATX

North American Tank Line

7/1937-4/1938

NATX

North American Tank Line (North American Car Corp.)

1/1941-4/1947

NATX

North American Car Corp.

1/1950-1/1980; eliminated 1/1984

NATX

General Electric Railcar Services Corp.

added 1/1984; 1/1994; eliminated 1/2000

NATX

General Electric Rail Services Corp.

added 1/2000; 7/2000-7/2005; eliminated 4/2016

NATX

Union Tank Car Co.

added 4/2016

 

 

APOX

Bradford Oil Refining Co.

7/1923-7/1936; 7/1937 (unlisted)

APOX

Kanotex Refining Co.

eliminated 10/1953

APOX

Anderson-Pritchard Oil Corp.

added 10/1953; 7/1954-4/1961; eliminated 7/1961

APOX

Apco Oil Corp.

added 7/1961; 7/1965-4/1970; eliminated 1/1974

APOX

Alabama Power Co.

added 4/1998; eliminated 7/1999; 7/2000-7/2005

 

 

BBSX

The B.B. Stroud Co.

8/1920

BBSX

The B.B. Stroud Co. (The Bradford Gasoline Co.)

7/1923-7/1935

BBSX

The Bradford Gasoline Co.

7/1935-1/1946

 

 

A PK2 tankcar kit with APOX reporting marks is on eBay https://www.ebay.com/itm/373028640573

And here is a tankcar painted with what I recall is the actual Apco logo colors from the 60s

 

Here is a roster of tankcars in 1950 https://jbritton.pennsyrr.com/index.php/tpm/97-interchange-ownership-of-tank-cars-in-1950?fbclid=IwAR1hCQ7Vy2vCFGNwVx44sap0vC3e3nwhCttP7ZfwE9650IEVYmCgIFroqnk

No listing for APOX or BBSX. Makes me suspect the LikeLike car is wearing a post 1960 paint scheme, as I can remember seeing the Apco Oil Co sign when I was a kid, ie the 60s.

 

And here are some of the signs used by Apco gas stations through the years, which I found on Pinterest. None are black and white, so it appears LifeLike got it wrong most likely from using a b/w photo.

 

Doug Harding

https://www.facebook.com/douglas.harding.3156/

Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad

 


Tim O'Connor
 


ACF TYPE 21 article --

RMJ 2/1998 pp.53-59 Richard Hendrickson's excellent study w/ photos
  SHPX/CONX/COSX/KOTX/RPX/APOX/SCCX/CYCX/GATX/UTLX/RIRX/PMCX/PQX/OELX


On 3/18/2023 7:18 PM, nyc3001 . wrote:

Proto 2000 made an APOX Type 21 tank, but I don’t remember seeing a prototype photo. I vaguely remember that Richard Hendrickson (?) wrote an article about Type 21s in a magazine in the 1980s or 90s

-Phil Lee


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Bill Parks
 

On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 02:39 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
These two apparently related companies had a total of 50 tank cars in the mid 1920’s
I'm not sure that these two companies were related, other than both being located in Bradford PA.  I tried to do some digging into them and found that there were several companies in the oil/gas business that had Bradford in their names.  Also, since the instructions for reporting mileage have different addresses, that seems to me to also say they weren't related.

I could not find anything at all about Bradford Gasoline Company.  I did find something very brief about the Bradford County Oil & Gas Company that was founded in 1922, but I don't know if it is the same company or not.

Bradford Oil Refining Company has a bit more information, although some sources contradict others, so not sure what the truth is.  In short, it started in 1881, and became Kendall Oil sometime in either 1920's, or 1930's and merged/acquired another company called Emery in 1935 (which might explain the APOX reporting marks no longer being used in 1937 as Douglass lists in his post).  Through several other acquisitions/mergers over the decades (most after the time frame of this list), the original refinery is now owned by a company called American Refinery Group (ARG) and is the world's oldest refinery of lubricants.
 
--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Richard Townsend
 

One clue on their relatedness is in the car numbers. They flow cleanly from one company to the other. No gap and no overlap.


On Mar 19, 2023, at 8:52 AM, Bill Parks via groups.io <BPARKS_43@...> wrote:

On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 02:39 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
These two apparently related companies had a total of 50 tank cars in the mid 1920’s
I'm not sure that these two companies were related, other than both being located in Bradford PA.  I tried to do some digging into them and found that there were several companies in the oil/gas business that had Bradford in their names.  Also, since the instructions for reporting mileage have different addresses, that seems to me to also say they weren't related.

I could not find anything at all about Bradford Gasoline Company.  I did find something very brief about the Bradford County Oil & Gas Company that was founded in 1922, but I don't know if it is the same company or not.

Bradford Oil Refining Company has a bit more information, although some sources contradict others, so not sure what the truth is.  In short, it started in 1881, and became Kendall Oil sometime in either 1920's, or 1930's and merged/acquired another company called Emery in 1935 (which might explain the APOX reporting marks no longer being used in 1937 as Douglass lists in his post).  Through several other acquisitions/mergers over the decades (most after the time frame of this list), the original refinery is now owned by a company called American Refinery Group (ARG) and is the world's oldest refinery of lubricants.
 
--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Bill Parks
 

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 02:07 PM, Richard Townsend wrote:
One clue on their relatedness is in the car numbers. They flow cleanly from one company to the other. No gap and no overlap.
I didn't pick up on that.  Has me more curious now about these two companies and if/how they were related.
 
--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Dave Parker
 

In addition, there are clues in the 1936 tariff.  BBSX 60-74 was clearly a group of similar cars with 186-gal domes  The remaining 40 cars  (25 BBSX , 15 APOX) all had 268- or 269-gal domes and very similar shell volumes (~8100-8200 gals).  [By 1936 there were two additional APOX cars (75 and 76) that actually did duplicate BBSX numbers, but these were specialty cars without domes, and not part of the initial total of 50 cars that Steve's 1926 ORER data show.]

Combined with the numbering sequence, I'd say the car data support the idea that the to Bradfords were closely related companies (somehow).
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Ron Merrick
 

This A-P Co was an oil company in Kansas or Oklahoma.  There were APCO stations in Wichita when I was a kid (1950s-60s-early 70s).  That's the one that Walthers did. although I had no knowledge at the time of any tank cars.

Ron Merrick