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Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run


Andy Carlson
 


Hello-
I found the cover photo on Ted Cullota's "Focus on the Freight car, vol 10", of a 1936 photo of a West Coast gasoline company tank car very sentimental. My interest in this company relates to how my Grandfather worked in the large Goleta, CA oil field adjacent to the Rio Grande Oil Company's site. My Grandmother told me from an early age about how this area was the sole area shelled from a WWll adversary; the Japanese sub shelling the Ellwood Beach pier of Pacific Western and Rio Grande oil companies. My Grandfather was the Pacific Western Oil Field engineer and was actively working at the attacked area during that period of the war. He was at home at the time of the attack.

10 years ago, my interest in vintage gasoline pumps encouraged me to approach Jerry Glow to make a 12" to the foot scale gas pump plate (decal) for my 1941 Bennett gas pump. Jerry's art and decal are worthy of great accolades, they were done so well.

When the Cullota freight car book arrived, I wanted a model of the cover subject. When a GATC type 17 10K gallon assembled/non-lettered Tangent Models HO car became available a couple months ago, I purchased one (I now wish I got more). I had good luck with a new decal maker for my project resin Western Pacific 1916 Pullman built 15001-16000 series of 40 SS box cars. He was excited to go for the colorful RIO Grande car and I now have a few sets which I am offering to anyone reading this message.

Thanks to Dave Parker, I received a list of RGO Co numbers for GATC type 17 10K tank cars.
Anyone wanting to purchase a decal set for this tank car I can offer the following:

R.G.O.X. # 201
RGOX   # 216
RGOX   # 223
RGOX   # 238
RGOX   # 242

Proof art for the tank car decals
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Each set has a single number which is unique to me in the decal business.

Photos from Ted's book. Aluminum colored tank body with red and black lettering.Pictures were taken in 1936.Inline image
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Offered for $10/set, which includes shipping to the US. I accept checks and PayPal (with a small fee). Contact me off-list for info about this decal offer at <midcentury@...>

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

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Oil Co maps
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This surviving station is 200 yards from the pier which was shelled in WWll.




Tony Thompson
 

Andy Carlson wrote:

My Grandmother told me from an early age about how this area was the sole area shelled from a WWll adversary; the Japanese sub shelling the Ellwood Beach pier of Pacific Western and Rio Grande oil companies. 

Shot at but missed, as it happened.

Tony Thompson




Jim Betz
 

  I thought there was some 'action' in the Aleutian Islands ... ???


John Barry
 

Andy,

Really cool project.  And as I model the Bay Area, I thought it would be appropriate to add a RGOX car to my fleet.  Checking the 36 and 55 tank car tariffs RGOX is in the 36, but not the 55.  When I looked at my Jan 43 and Oct 44 ORERs, RGOX is AWOL also.  Do you know when the Rio Grande tank car fleet was sold and to whom?

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 


Allan Smith
 


My 1938 ORER lists RGOX under Richfield Oil of California. Cars listed as RGOX are 101,102 201-255 601-606 607, 608 609-623 800, 801 802 804-810 811-815 816

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Sunday, March 7, 2021, 05:57:49 AM PST, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:


Andy,

Really cool project.  And as I model the Bay Area, I thought it would be appropriate to add a RGOX car to my fleet.  Checking the 36 and 55 tank car tariffs RGOX is in the 36, but not the 55.  When I looked at my Jan 43 and Oct 44 ORERs, RGOX is AWOL also.  Do you know when the Rio Grande tank car fleet was sold and to whom?

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 


Dave Parker
 

In my 7/35 ORER, Rio Grande (RGOX) was still a stand-alone, and also in the 1936 tariff..

Ian Cranstone's on-line tabulation shows the RGOX reporting marks in use by Richfield from 7/37 to 4/38 (my 1/38 ORER agrees).

No sign of the RGOX marks in my 1/40 ORER or thereafter.

Hope this helps, but I suspect it's more likely to cause disappointment.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Richard Townsend
 

Rio Grande merged with Richfield in 1936. 

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2021 4:09 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run


My 1938 ORER lists RGOX under Richfield Oil of California. Cars listed as RGOX are 101,102 201-255 601-606 607, 608 609-623 800, 801 802 804-810 811-815 816

Al Smith
Sonora CA
On Sunday, March 7, 2021, 05:57:49 AM PST, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:


Andy,

Really cool project.  And as I model the Bay Area, I thought it would be appropriate to add a RGOX car to my fleet.  Checking the 36 and 55 tank car tariffs RGOX is in the 36, but not the 55.  When I looked at my Jan 43 and Oct 44 ORERs, RGOX is AWOL also.  Do you know when the Rio Grande tank car fleet was sold and to whom?

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 


John Barry
 

Disappointment, yes and no.  Yes about not lettering a car in Andy's colorful livery.  No in that I have insight into tank car traffic for my layout.  Richfield Oil had a tank farm served by the Santa Fe at the end of a spur from Richmond's Ferry Point.  They did not have a Bay Area refinery to the best of my knowledge.  It seems likelier than not that they would have shipped product into the Bay area via the SP coast line and interchanged to the Santa Fe for delivery making it unlikely that I'd have ROX tanks in my thru freights from Stockton but plausible to come out of Oakland on the local.  Now if I can figure out which of the ROX 10K cars came from the RGOX prototypes for the Tangent cars.  I've concluded that the two compartment RGOX 101 & 102 became ROX 792 & 798.  

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 






On Sunday, March 7, 2021, 07:35:59 PM EST, Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend@...> wrote:


Rio Grande merged with Richfield in 1936. 

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Smith <smithal9@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2021 4:09 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run


My 1938 ORER lists RGOX under Richfield Oil of California. Cars listed as RGOX are 101,102 201-255 601-606 607, 608 609-623 800, 801 802 804-810 811-815 816

Al Smith
Sonora CA
On Sunday, March 7, 2021, 05:57:49 AM PST, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:


Andy,

Really cool project.  And as I model the Bay Area, I thought it would be appropriate to add a RGOX car to my fleet.  Checking the 36 and 55 tank car tariffs RGOX is in the 36, but not the 55.  When I looked at my Jan 43 and Oct 44 ORERs, RGOX is AWOL also.  Do you know when the Rio Grande tank car fleet was sold and to whom?

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 


jerryglow2
 

The pump
 


Dave Parker
 

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 04:37 AM, John Barry wrote:
Now if I can figure out which of the ROX 10K cars came from the RGOX prototypes for the Tangent cars.
The exact same cars, with the same car numbers, appear as RGOX cars in the 1936 tariff, and as ROX cars in the 1955 edition.  These were cars 201, 203-210, 226-240.  These were (very likely) all 10-kgal GATC 1917 design cars with 256-gal domes.  The tank volumes match exactly across the two tariffs.
 
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Richard Townsend
 

This brings to mind Tony Thompson's trick enabling him to run a tank car decorated for the Mutual Oil Company long after Mutual had been absorbed by Conoco. He heavily weathered the car and changed the reporting marks, but not the number, to CONX. Quite clever, in my estimation.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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From: Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...>
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Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 8:25 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 04:37 AM, John Barry wrote:
Now if I can figure out which of the ROX 10K cars came from the RGOX prototypes for the Tangent cars.
The exact same cars, with the same car numbers, appear as RGOX cars in the 1936 tariff, and as ROX cars in the 1955 edition.  These were cars 201, 203-210, 226-240.  These were (very likely) all 10-kgal GATC 1917 design cars with 256-gal domes.  The tank volumes match exactly across the two tariffs.
 
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Tony Thompson
 

John, given how recently (for your modeling) the Rio Grande sale to Richfield occurred, you could certainly "patch" a Rio Grande Oil paint scheme for ROX reporting marks and number.

Tony Thompson




John Barry
 

Thanks Dave,

I had to start work before I could make that comparison. I concur about the match.

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 





On Monday, March 8, 2021, 11:25:23 AM EST, Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> wrote:


On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 04:37 AM, John Barry wrote:
Now if I can figure out which of the ROX 10K cars came from the RGOX prototypes for the Tangent cars.
The exact same cars, with the same car numbers, appear as RGOX cars in the 1936 tariff, and as ROX cars in the 1955 edition.  These were cars 201, 203-210, 226-240.  These were (very likely) all 10-kgal GATC 1917 design cars with 256-gal domes.  The tank volumes match exactly across the two tariffs.
 
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


John Barry
 

Tony,

That could even be more of a paint out rather than a patch. RGOX --> R OX

I'm starting to like the idea.

Johnv

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 





On Monday, March 8, 2021, 02:59:55 PM EST, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


John, given how recently (for your modeling) the Rio Grande sale to Richfield occurred, you could certainly "patch" a Rio Grande Oil paint scheme for ROX reporting marks and number.

Tony Thompson