StLB&M flat car
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Folks,
In the movie "Troop Train", StLB&M flat car 8376 is featured as part of a pre- or early WWII movement of troops with their equipment. A quick check of the 1943 ORER show that there are 50 cars in this series and that these are the only flat cars with StLB&M
reporting marks. Does anyone have any additional information on this series of cars?
I note that Mask Island has decals in HO for them so I also wonder if there is an appropriate HO model?
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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Gene Semon
Bruce,
These might be the kits you are looking for:
Flat car kits $15 each Includes main body casting and laser-cut wood floor piece. MP 8000 series 45’ fish belly side sill MP 8100 series 50’ fish belly side sill Mail orders to Chad Boas, 30 N 30th Street, Lafayette, IN. 47904 Or contact me at my email address chadboas@... C. Duckworth Photo
Gene Semon
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Folks,
In the movie "Troop Train", StLB&M flat car 8376 is featured as part of a pre- or early WWII movement of troops with their equipment. A quick check of the 1943 ORER show that there are 50 cars in this series and that these are the only flat cars with StLB&M reporting marks. Does anyone have any additional information on this series of cars?
I note that Mask Island has decals in HO for them so I also wonder if there is an appropriate HO model?
Regards, Bruce Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
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Of course! I should have known Chad would have done these.
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Gene Semon <mopac1@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:22 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M flat car Bruce,
These might be the kits you are looking for:
Flat car kits $15 each Includes main body casting and laser-cut wood floor piece. MP 8000 series 45’ fish belly side sill MP 8100 series 50’ fish belly side sill Mail orders to Chad Boas, 30 N 30th Street, Lafayette, IN. 47904 Or contact me at my email address chadboas@...
C. Duckworth Photo
Gene Semon
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Bruce Smith
Folks,
In the movie "Troop Train", StLB&M flat car 8376 is featured as part of a pre- or early WWII movement of troops with their equipment. A quick check of the 1943 ORER show that there are 50 cars in this series and that these are the only flat cars with StLB&M reporting marks. Does anyone have any additional information on this series of cars?
I note that Mask Island has decals in HO for them so I also wonder if there is an appropriate HO model?
Regards, Bruce Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
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mopacfirst
These are 50'0" over "flooring and end sills", as the diagram calls out. Bethlehem 1942, lot DF45. These 50, plus MP 8100-8199, started out as general service flatcars. They had 15 stake pockets. They were typical of the era, with the deck 9'-4" wide, all inside the stake pockets. 8373 was apparently the last un-renumbered car, which was probably restenciled MP sometime after 1956.
They were mostly converted to piggyback, with bridge plates and rub rails, and one ACF model 2 hitch. Some were converted to brick service, with 4'-0" bulkheads and side grates. Some were converted to pig flat before the complete renumbering of freight cars, and these carried 99xxx series numbers, then were renumbered to 833000-833130. A few stayed as general service flatcars. So actually you have 150 cars to choose from for modeling purposes. Many years ago I used an Athearn 50' flatcar, as a pretty close model, long before the resin era. The attached photo shows one with a company load, an MPTL box truck which was delivered by MP to Wichita, presumably to save driving it the 482 miles from St. Louis. Ron Merrick Ron Merrick
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Ed Hawkins
Bruce, Following is some history & other info. In August 1941 Missouri Pacific and subsidiary International-Great Northern (I-GN) each placed orders with Bethlehem Steel Co. (BSC) for 50 flat cars of 50-ton capacity & 50’-0” length. BSC assigned to order DF 45. With the changing times & advent of the U.S. entry into second world war, production was increased to 100 MP cars & the 50 identical cars originally ordered by I-GN switched to another MoPac subsidiary St. Louis, Brownsville & Mexico. Delivery of the 150 flat cars occurred in June 1942, numbered MP 8100-8199 & StLB&M 8350-8399. The cars of riveted construction came with fish-belly side sills, 15 stake pockets per side, 12” rolled-channel end sills, 2 3/4” x 7 1/4” x 9’-4” yellow pine wood flooring, Universal Multi-Power Drop Shaft hand brake, Apex defect card holder double truss spring plankless trucks, and cast iron wheels. Painted black with white stencils. Starting around mid-1956 after Missouri Pacific had emerged from receivership, locomotives & rolling stock of MoPac subsidiaries I-GN, StLB&M & NOT&M had their reporting mark stencils changed to MP while retaining their original numbers. In late 1960 a handful of the cars from both series received 3’-4” high bulkheads, 46’ inside length, for hauling aluminum ingots. Later conversions are out of scope for STMFC. Photos I’m aware of include a 3/4BL BSC builder photo of MP 8140 in the 1943 & 1946 Car Builders’ Cyclopedia (page 197 & 194, respectively); Bob’s Photo - Col. Chet McCoid, StLB&M 8373 with lumber load on 5/21/56; Dick Kuelbs photo MP 8166 on 11/24/60 with lumber load. Gene Semon has answered your question about HO models. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Eric Hansmann
Chad Boas’ kit list has been updated today. http://resincarworks.com/boas_kitlist_201506.pdf
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Semon
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:22 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M flat car
Bruce,
These might be the kits you are looking for:
Flat car kits $15 each Includes main body casting and laser-cut wood floor piece. MP 8000 series 45’ fish belly side sill MP 8100 series 50’ fish belly side sill Mail orders to Chad Boas, 30 N 30th Street, Lafayette, IN. 47904 Or contact me at my email address chadboas@... C. Duckworth Photo
Gene Semon
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Folks,
In the movie "Troop Train", StLB&M flat car 8376 is featured as part of a pre- or early WWII movement of troops with their equipment. A quick check of the 1943 ORER show that there are 50 cars in this series and that these are the only flat cars with StLB&M reporting marks. Does anyone have any additional information on this series of cars?
I note that Mask Island has decals in HO for them so I also wonder if there is an appropriate HO model?
Regards, Bruce Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
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Thanks Eric. :-)
On 1/10/2021 2:44 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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