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Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!
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Allen Rueter
I wonder what the initial paint scheme on the PRR gons looked like.
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Allen:
It looked like the scheme on the Tangent cars. That is the as-built paint scheme. Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Allen Rueter Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 7:27 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!! I wonder what the initial paint scheme on the PRR gons looked like. -- Allen Rueter StLouis MO ________________________________ |
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bnsd45
Allen,
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There is a link page here that takes you to two different pages: one is the model page with high res photos of the models. The other is the prototype page that shows high res photos of the prototypes, as photographed at ACF when new. http://tangentscalemodels.com/aboutourproducts.aspx David Lehlbach Tangent Scale Models --- In STMFC@..., Allen Rueter <allen_282@...> wrote:
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rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
This is a bit off topic.
David, Guys keep asking me when they'll be able to buy the "Real" CGW hopper. Talk to you later in the week, Clark Propst |
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Gene <bierglaeser@...>
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Me, too. Gene Green |
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I wonder what the initial paint scheme on the PRR gons looked like. Me, too. |
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Tim: I was confused when I answered the same question yesterday.
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Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 6:49 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!! ?? It's right there on the web site. http://tangentscalemodels.com/prototypeimages/PRR%20371950.jpg I wonder what the initial paint scheme on the PRR gons looked like. Me, too. |
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Allen Rueter
Tim,
I misunderstood that the 1st G31s where built, by PRR shops, once I found this table, it made things more clear. ( http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=G31 ) G31a where P-S? -- Allen Rueter StLouis MO ________________________________ From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Sun, October 25, 2009 5:49:11 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!! ?? It's right there on the web site. http://tangentscale models.com/ prototypeimages/ PRR%20371950. jpg I wonder what the initial paint scheme on the PRR gons looked like. Me, too. |
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Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Folks;
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The G31's were painted just like the Tangent model, as-built. All initial paint and lettering were identical, but for the builders' stencils, where applied; The "w" in a circle came later; The G31 was PRR-built, the G31A was PS-built, and the G31B and G31D were ACF-built, and the G31C and G31E were GenAm-built; Elden Gatwood -----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Allen Rueter Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 7:41 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!! Tim, I misunderstood that the 1st G31s where built, by PRR shops, once I found this table, it made things more clear. ( http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=G31 <http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=G31> ) G31a where P-S? -- Allen Rueter StLouis MO ________________________________ From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@... <mailto:timboconnor%40comcast.net> > To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, October 25, 2009 5:49:11 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!! ?? It's right there on the web site. http://tangentscale models.com/ prototypeimages/ PRR%20371950. jpg I wonder what the initial paint scheme on the PRR gons looked like. Me, too. |
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SUVCWORR@...
Elden,
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As you have researched and published articles and presented clinics on these cars, since the floor of the Tangent car is removable, would simply changing the floor to steel convert these to a G31 or are there other differences I am missing in the photos? The IH of the G31 is 1 3/8 inches higher but that is almost imperceptible in HO and could be accounted for with the thinkness of the replacement floor. Rich Orr -----Original Message-----
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:04 am Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!! Folks; The G31's were painted just like the Tangent model, as-built. All initial paint and lettering were identical, but for the builders' stencils, where applied; The "w" in a circle came later; The G31 was PRR-built, the G31A was PS-built, and the G31B and G31D were ACF-built, and the G31C and G31E were GenAm-built; Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Allen Rueter Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 7:41 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!! Tim, I misunderstood that the 1st G31s where built, by PRR shops, once I found this table, it made things more clear. ( http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=G31 <http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=G31> ) G31a where P-S? -- Allen Rueter StLouis MO ________________________________ From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@... <mailto:timboconnor%40comcast.net> > To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, October 25, 2009 5:49:11 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!! ?? It's right there on the web site. http://tangentscale models.com/ prototypeimages/ PRR%20371950. jpg I wonder what the initial paint scheme on the PRR gons looked like. Me, too. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Rich;
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As far as I can see, the G31 are almost identical to the later classes, but for the steel floor; however, there are some little details that one also could consider: 1) the tie-down clips are welded to the side sheet, like the G31A, unlike the G31B where they are welded to the sides of the top angle; 2) the G31 has an Equipco pump brake, unlike the G31B, which seems to have had Universdals as-built (BTW, Dave has done us a favor, and offers BOTH those types in his extra parts sprue); 3) The G31 only has one "tack" board You could also overlay .005" sheet over the wood floor, like I did on one of the cars I haven't finished yet. Let me know if you need a photo. Elden -----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of SUVCWORR@... Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 12:05 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!! Elden, As you have researched and published articles and presented clinics on these cars, since the floor of the Tangent car is removable, would simply changing the floor to steel convert these to a G31 or are there other differences I am missing in the photos? The IH of the G31 is 1 3/8 inches higher but that is almost imperceptible in HO and could be accounted for with the thinkness of the replacement floor. Rich Orr -----Original Message----- From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@... <mailto:elden.j.gatwood%40usace.army.mil> > To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:04 am Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!! Folks; The G31's were painted just like the Tangent model, as-built. All initial paint and lettering were identical, but for the builders' stencils, where applied; The "w" in a circle came later; The G31 was PRR-built, the G31A was PS-built, and the G31B and G31D were ACF-built, and the G31C and G31E were GenAm-built; Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Allen Rueter Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 7:41 PM To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!! Tim, I misunderstood that the 1st G31s where built, by PRR shops, once I found this table, it made things more clear. ( http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=G31 <http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=G31> <http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=G31 <http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=G31> > ) G31a where P-S? -- Allen Rueter StLouis MO ________________________________ From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@... <mailto:timboconnor%40comcast.net> <mailto:timboconnor%40comcast.net> > To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, October 25, 2009 5:49:11 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!! ?? It's right there on the web site. http://tangentscale models.com/ prototypeimages/ PRR%20371950. jpg I wonder what the initial paint scheme on the PRR gons looked like. Me, too.------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Ed Hawkins
On Oct 26, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
2) the G31 has an Equipco pump brake, unlike the G31B, which seems toElden and Rich, The G31, G31B, and G35 all used 3 types of lever-type hand brakes, including Klasing as well as Universal and Equipco. Larry Kline did some digging in PRR company files and recently provided me a list of hand brakes used on one group of G31s. For the total series, 498 cars had Universal hand brakes, 502 Equipco, and 500 Klasing. But to cover the 1,500 G31 cars in series 364800-366299 built in 1950, there are 18 separate groups of car numbers. For starters, 364800-364974 came with Klasing, 364975-365122 had Equipco, 365123-365150 had Universal, and so on. For similar G35 cars there are 7 separate groups. I currently do not have complete data for G31 cars built in 1948, G31A, or G31B. The RP CYC Vol. 19 article specifies the quantities of each hand brake used on the G31B cars, but even the AC&F bill of materials didn't specify car number assignments for the hand brakes used on the 2,000 G31B cars. The class car in the series 371950 had a Universal Pump-Handle hand brake, and it's believed that the first 500 cars came with Universal. However, I'm hoping that Larry will be able to locate data to define the hand brakes for all of these cars. To supplement the article in RP CYC Vol. 19 about these cars, I'm in process of compiling a list of PRR G31, G31A, G31B, and G35 hand brake car number assignments that will be available in PDF format on the RP CYC web site. I currently do not have all of the data for these cars, but will supply the data when I have it. Larry has been kind to provide data he has located in PRR company records thus far. Regards, Ed Hawkins |
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Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Thanks, Ed! That is great info. You are the man!
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Elden Gatwood -----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Ed Hawkins Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:35 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!! On Oct 26, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote: 2) the G31 has an Equipco pump brake, unlike the G31B, which seems toElden and Rich, The G31, G31B, and G35 all used 3 types of lever-type hand brakes, including Klasing as well as Universal and Equipco. Larry Kline did some digging in PRR company files and recently provided me a list of hand brakes used on one group of G31s. For the total series, 498 cars had Universal hand brakes, 502 Equipco, and 500 Klasing. But to cover the 1,500 G31 cars in series 364800-366299 built in 1950, there are 18 separate groups of car numbers. For starters, 364800-364974 came with Klasing, 364975-365122 had Equipco, 365123-365150 had Universal, and so on. For similar G35 cars there are 7 separate groups. I currently do not have complete data for G31 cars built in 1948, G31A, or G31B. The RP CYC Vol. 19 article specifies the quantities of each hand brake used on the G31B cars, but even the AC&F bill of materials didn't specify car number assignments for the hand brakes used on the 2,000 G31B cars. The class car in the series 371950 had a Universal Pump-Handle hand brake, and it's believed that the first 500 cars came with Universal. However, I'm hoping that Larry will be able to locate data to define the hand brakes for all of these cars. To supplement the article in RP CYC Vol. 19 about these cars, I'm in process of compiling a list of PRR G31, G31A, G31B, and G35 hand brake car number assignments that will be available in PDF format on the RP CYC web site. I currently do not have all of the data for these cars, but will supply the data when I have it. Larry has been kind to provide data he has located in PRR company records thus far. Regards, Ed Hawkins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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