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The Dirty Dozen


radiodial868
 

Actually, just 12 USRA Double Sheaths I just finished building at the rate of 1 per month (the one Rapido was any easy month). Covid lockdown was good for something I guess. A mixture of F&C, Westerfield, Ertl and Rapido.  Who did it best? Easy answer - Westerfield by a long shot. 
The Rapido advantage was it is RTR, but a couple of detail short cuts for rougher handling were taken, and since the underframe is convertible between AB & K it had extra holes and supports. 
The Ertls were only $9 each, and while I replaced the removable grabs on one of the 5, the difference between the original grabs and wire grabs isn't as noticeable as I thought. The lettering on the Ertls were all comical foobies, so all got new Westerfield decals and repainted.
The F&C casting is not as sharp as the others and had tooling marks.
Glad the little project is done, as I am soooo tired of building USRA DS's. Ratio wise, that is more than enough of this type for a 1939 western RR (hence heavy on the GN, AT&SF, NWP & SP&S), so no more required anyway.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Paul Doggett
 

RJ 

They all look good.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 6 Dec 2020, at 18:24, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

Actually, just 12 USRA Double Sheaths I just finished building at the rate of 1 per month (the one Rapido was any easy month). Covid lockdown was good for something I guess. A mixture of F&C, Westerfield, Ertl and Rapido.  Who did it best? Easy answer - Westerfield by a long shot. 
The Rapido advantage was it is RTR, but a couple of detail short cuts for rougher handling were taken, and since the underframe is convertible between AB & K it had extra holes and supports. 
The Ertls were only $9 each, and while I replaced the removable grabs on one of the 5, the difference between the original grabs and wire grabs isn't as noticeable as I thought. The lettering on the Ertls were all comical foobies, so all got new Westerfield decals and repainted.
The F&C casting is not as sharp as the others and had tooling marks.
Glad the little project is done, as I am soooo tired of building USRA DS's. Ratio wise, that is more than enough of this type for a 1939 western RR (hence heavy on the GN, AT&SF, NWP & SP&S), so no more required anyway.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA

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O Fenton Wells
 

Ambitious project RJ, looking good.  Lots of DS boxcars to move.
Fenton

On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 1:24 PM radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:
Actually, just 12 USRA Double Sheaths I just finished building at the rate of 1 per month (the one Rapido was any easy month). Covid lockdown was good for something I guess. A mixture of F&C, Westerfield, Ertl and Rapido.  Who did it best? Easy answer - Westerfield by a long shot. 
The Rapido advantage was it is RTR, but a couple of detail short cuts for rougher handling were taken, and since the underframe is convertible between AB & K it had extra holes and supports. 
The Ertls were only $9 each, and while I replaced the removable grabs on one of the 5, the difference between the original grabs and wire grabs isn't as noticeable as I thought. The lettering on the Ertls were all comical foobies, so all got new Westerfield decals and repainted.
The F&C casting is not as sharp as the others and had tooling marks.
Glad the little project is done, as I am soooo tired of building USRA DS's. Ratio wise, that is more than enough of this type for a 1939 western RR (hence heavy on the GN, AT&SF, NWP & SP&S), so no more required anyway.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA



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James Brewer
 

Nicely done RJ...quite an ambitious project!

Jim Brewer


Robert Allan
 

It's nice that you got so much variation in the builds. Well done.

Bob Allan
Omaha


Robert kirkham
 

Kind of evokes some of those Delano shots in Chicago - very cool!  Would like the hear the story for each car . . .  

Rob

On Dec 6, 2020, at 10:24 AM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

Actually, just 12 USRA Double Sheaths I just finished building at the rate of 1 per month (the one Rapido was any easy month). Covid lockdown was good for something I guess. A mixture of F&C, Westerfield, Ertl and Rapido.  Who did it best? Easy answer - Westerfield by a long shot. 
The Rapido advantage was it is RTR, but a couple of detail short cuts for rougher handling were taken, and since the underframe is convertible between AB & K it had extra holes and supports. 
The Ertls were only $9 each, and while I replaced the removable grabs on one of the 5, the difference between the original grabs and wire grabs isn't as noticeable as I thought. The lettering on the Ertls were all comical foobies, so all got new Westerfield decals and repainted.
The F&C casting is not as sharp as the others and had tooling marks.
Glad the little project is done, as I am soooo tired of building USRA DS's. Ratio wise, that is more than enough of this type for a 1939 western RR (hence heavy on the GN, AT&SF, NWP & SP&S), so no more required anyway.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA <IMG_0682.jpeg><IMG_0683.jpeg>


radiodial868
 

Keeping track who still had Carmer uncouplers and K Brakes and only one grab in 1939 was a little daunting, but helped by doing all of them at once. Couple of other little RR changed nuances such as retainer location and brake wheels and of course the color and lettering schemes made your head swim. I notice now in the picture that the F&C has a real under-pronounced door track/cover compared to the others. (3rd from left/front).
Thought I'd share the GN Ertl scheme. Others are just as hilarious, but the body casting itself is very nice. Besides the usual details, the one thing I had to add was lower diagonal frame rod end castings on the ends (4 total per car). 
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Tony Thompson
 

    Heckuva project! I sure understand your saying you are "sick" of USRA DS cars!

Tony Thompson




Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi RJ and List Members,
 
Very nicely done!
 
I notice there are two GN cars, both appear to have 'forward-facing' goats, and both appear to have black ends and roofs. I ask out of ignorance - is the black end and roof correct for GN? If so, I may have to correct some of my models...
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2020 1:24 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] The Dirty Dozen

Actually, just 12 USRA Double Sheaths I just finished building at the rate of 1 per month (the one Rapido was any easy month). Covid lockdown was good for something I guess. A mixture of F&C, Westerfield, Ertl and Rapido.  Who did it best? Easy answer - Westerfield by a long shot. 
The Rapido advantage was it is RTR, but a couple of detail short cuts for rougher handling were taken, and since the underframe is convertible between AB & K it had extra holes and supports. 
The Ertls were only $9 each, and while I replaced the removable grabs on one of the 5, the difference between the original grabs and wire grabs isn't as noticeable as I thought. The lettering on the Ertls were all comical foobies, so all got new Westerfield decals and repainted.
The F&C casting is not as sharp as the others and had tooling marks.
Glad the little project is done, as I am soooo tired of building USRA DS's. Ratio wise, that is more than enough of this type for a 1939 western RR (hence heavy on the GN, AT&SF, NWP & SP&S), so no more required anyway.
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Benjamin Hom
 

RJ Dial wrote:
"Thought I'd share the GN Ertl scheme. Others are just as hilarious, but the body casting itself is very nice."

Bob Hundman is directly responsible for these fantasy schemes - they're from a one-sheet of lettering diagrams for the various roads from an early issue of Mainline Modeler.  Ertl made the mistake of trusting this source, and unfortunately was not the only manufacturer burned by bad information from Mainline Modeler.


Ben Hom


Schuyler Larrabee
 

Geez, I hate to build TWO of anything, though I do from time to time.  Building a dozen, even sequentially, even with the variations . . . I’d never make it through that.

 

VERY impressive collection of identical but different cars!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of radiodial868
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2020 1:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] The Dirty Dozen

 

Actually, just 12 USRA Double Sheaths I just finished building at the rate of 1 per month (the one Rapido was any easy month). Covid lockdown was good for something I guess. A mixture of F&C, Westerfield, Ertl and Rapido.  Who did it best? Easy answer - Westerfield by a long shot. 
The Rapido advantage was it is RTR, but a couple of detail short cuts for rougher handling were taken, and since the underframe is convertible between AB & K it had extra holes and supports. 
The Ertls were only $9 each, and while I replaced the removable grabs on one of the 5, the difference between the original grabs and wire grabs isn't as noticeable as I thought. The lettering on the Ertls were all comical foobies, so all got new Westerfield decals and repainted.
The F&C casting is not as sharp as the others and had tooling marks.
Glad the little project is done, as I am soooo tired of building USRA DS's. Ratio wise, that is more than enough of this type for a 1939 western RR (hence heavy on the GN, AT&SF, NWP & SP&S), so no more required anyway.
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


gary laakso
 

Yes, at that time GN used that paint scheme on its USRA cars.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock



On Dec 6, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi RJ and List Members,
 
Very nicely done!
 
I notice there are two GN cars, both appear to have 'forward-facing' goats, and both appear to have black ends and roofs. I ask out of ignorance - is the black end and roof correct for GN? If so, I may have to correct some of my models...
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2020 1:24 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] The Dirty Dozen

Actually, just 12 USRA Double Sheaths I just finished building at the rate of 1 per month (the one Rapido was any easy month). Covid lockdown was good for something I guess. A mixture of F&C, Westerfield, Ertl and Rapido.  Who did it best? Easy answer - Westerfield by a long shot. 
The Rapido advantage was it is RTR, but a couple of detail short cuts for rougher handling were taken, and since the underframe is convertible between AB & K it had extra holes and supports. 
The Ertls were only $9 each, and while I replaced the removable grabs on one of the 5, the difference between the original grabs and wire grabs isn't as noticeable as I thought. The lettering on the Ertls were all comical foobies, so all got new Westerfield decals and repainted.
The F&C casting is not as sharp as the others and had tooling marks.
Glad the little project is done, as I am soooo tired of building USRA DS's. Ratio wise, that is more than enough of this type for a 1939 western RR (hence heavy on the GN, AT&SF, NWP & SP&S), so no more required anyway.
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


radiodial868
 

On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 11:41 AM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
Hi RJ and List Members,
Very nicely done!
I notice there are two GN cars, both appear to have 'forward-facing' goats, and both appear to have black ends and roofs. I ask out of ignorance - is the black end and roof correct for GN? If so, I may have to correct some of my models...
Claus Schlund
I can relate. I've built many GN Resin kits over the years, and one of the earlier was a Westerfield 40' SS and the instructions said to paint the underframe, roof and ends black and the rest of the car Mineral Brown.  Fresh from some AT&SF cars, I interpreted that as the running boards were body color too.  20 years go by, lots of models built and then I get the new Rapido GN DS (one of the 12), and the running boards are all black!  So, I turned to my trusted GN info source, Staffan Ehnbom, who verified that steel roofed cars had black roofs AND running boards and ends until the repaint that introduced the side facing goat herald (~1941 on). So... each of those older GN cars are getting a good application of black Pan Pastel as they get shopped!
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Robert kirkham
 


This may be a dumb question, but wondering if (and if so, why) USRA cars came with company slogans etc.  Seems counter to the whole USRA mandate of uniformity/efficiency/cost control?

Rob 


On 6 Dec 2020, at 18:24, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

Actually, just 12 USRA Double Sheaths I just finished building at the rate of 1 per month (the one Rapido was any easy month). Covid lockdown was good for something I guess. A mixture of F&C, Westerfield, Ertl and Rapido.  Who did it best? Easy answer - Westerfield by a long shot. 
The Rapido advantage was it is RTR, but a couple of detail short cuts for rougher handling were taken, and since the underframe is convertible between AB & K it had extra holes and supports. 
The Ertls were only $9 each, and while I replaced the removable grabs on one of the 5, the difference between the original grabs and wire grabs isn't as noticeable as I thought. The lettering on the Ertls were all comical foobies, so all got new Westerfield decals and repainted.
The F&C casting is not as sharp as the others and had tooling marks.
Glad the little project is done, as I am soooo tired of building USRA DS's. Ratio wise, that is more than enough of this type for a 1939 western RR (hence heavy on the GN, AT&SF, NWP & SP&S), so no more required anyway.
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA

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Eric Hansmann
 

Rob,

RJ’s models are not wearing the original paint and lettering. He models 1939 and the prototypes came into use in 1919 & 1920. 

I upgraded six Accurail double-sheathed USRA boxcars several years ago and applied the as-built lettering. They were all featured on this 2015 weathering blog post. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Dec 6, 2020, at 5:00 PM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:


This may be a dumb question, but wondering if (and if so, why) USRA cars came with company slogans etc.  Seems counter to the whole USRA mandate of uniformity/efficiency/cost control?

Rob 


On 6 Dec 2020, at 18:24, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

Actually, just 12 USRA Double Sheaths I just finished building at the rate of 1 per month (the one Rapido was any easy month). Covid lockdown was good for something I guess. A mixture of F&C, Westerfield, Ertl and Rapido.  Who did it best? Easy answer - Westerfield by a long shot. 
The Rapido advantage was it is RTR, but a couple of detail short cuts for rougher handling were taken, and since the underframe is convertible between AB & K it had extra holes and supports. 
The Ertls were only $9 each, and while I replaced the removable grabs on one of the 5, the difference between the original grabs and wire grabs isn't as noticeable as I thought. The lettering on the Ertls were all comical foobies, so all got new Westerfield decals and repainted.
The F&C casting is not as sharp as the others and had tooling marks.
Glad the little project is done, as I am soooo tired of building USRA DS's. Ratio wise, that is more than enough of this type for a 1939 western RR (hence heavy on the GN, AT&SF, NWP & SP&S), so no more required anyway.
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA

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Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Eric.  Good to get that distinction, thanks.  Looking over the blog post again (its been a while) I have to say that the weathering is just great.  The Pere Marquette car is my favourite.

Rob

On Dec 6, 2020, at 3:40 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Rob,

RJ’s models are not wearing the original paint and lettering. He models 1939 and the prototypes came into use in 1919 & 1920. 

I upgraded six Accurail double-sheathed USRA boxcars several years ago and applied the as-built lettering. They were all featured on this 2015 weathering blog post. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Dec 6, 2020, at 5:00 PM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:


This may be a dumb question, but wondering if (and if so, why) USRA cars came with company slogans etc.  Seems counter to the whole USRA mandate of uniformity/efficiency/cost control?

Rob 


On 6 Dec 2020, at 18:24, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

Actually, just 12 USRA Double Sheaths I just finished building at the rate of 1 per month (the one Rapido was any easy month). Covid lockdown was good for something I guess. A mixture of F&C, Westerfield, Ertl and Rapido.  Who did it best? Easy answer - Westerfield by a long shot. 
The Rapido advantage was it is RTR, but a couple of detail short cuts for rougher handling were taken, and since the underframe is convertible between AB & K it had extra holes and supports. 
The Ertls were only $9 each, and while I replaced the removable grabs on one of the 5, the difference between the original grabs and wire grabs isn't as noticeable as I thought. The lettering on the Ertls were all comical foobies, so all got new Westerfield decals and repainted.
The F&C casting is not as sharp as the others and had tooling marks.
Glad the little project is done, as I am soooo tired of building USRA DS's. Ratio wise, that is more than enough of this type for a 1939 western RR (hence heavy on the GN, AT&SF, NWP & SP&S), so no more required anyway.
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA

Attachments:




Benjamin Hom
 

Rob Kirkham wrote:
"This may be a dumb question, but wondering if (and if so, why) USRA cars came with company slogans etc.  Seems counter to the whole USRA mandate of uniformity/efficiency/cost control?"

Go to the Westerfield website and take a look at the cars as built.  Heralds are evident, but the letterings schemes as built are largely very plain.

As for the USRA mandate of uniformity, the railroads hated it.  One consistent theme of this period was that each railroad's mechanical department, while fully cognizant of industry developments, had its own distinct preferences regarding car design.  Note all of the variations within the subsequent standard designs until after WWII.


Ben Hom


Eric Hansmann
 

These are looking great, RJ. It’s interesting how these cars had slight detail nuances from one railroad to another. 

Did any companies replace the grabs with ladders by 1939? 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Dec 6, 2020, at 1:14 PM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

Keeping track who still had Carmer uncouplers and K Brakes and only one grab in 1939 was a little daunting, but helped by doing all of them at once. Couple of other little RR changed nuances such as retainer location and brake wheels and of course the color and lettering schemes made your head swim. I notice now in the picture that the F&C has a real under-pronounced door track/cover compared to the others. (3rd from left/front).
Thought I'd share the GN Ertl scheme. Others are just as hilarious, but the body casting itself is very nice. Besides the usual details, the one thing I had to add was lower diagonal frame rod end castings on the ends (4 total per car). 
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA
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Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Ben - that is a good quick reference!

Rob

On Dec 6, 2020, at 3:58 PM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@att.net> wrote:

Rob Kirkham wrote:
"This may be a dumb question, but wondering if (and if so, why) USRA cars came with company slogans etc. Seems counter to the whole USRA mandate of uniformity/efficiency/cost control?"

Go to the Westerfield website and take a look at the cars as built. Heralds are evident, but the letterings schemes as built are largely very plain.

As for the USRA mandate of uniformity, the railroads hated it. One consistent theme of this period was that each railroad's mechanical department, while fully cognizant of industry developments, had its own distinct preferences regarding car design. Note all of the variations within the subsequent standard designs until after WWII.


Ben Hom


Clark Propst
 

Great weathering Eric!

Clark Propst

 

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