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21 - 30 of 30
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Speaking of early 50 ft. cars I'll bring this type up at least one of which ended up here in Vermont on our
little St. Johnsbury & Lamoille County RR. This was a 50 ft., single sheathed ex-Santa Fe car that had the
heaviest cast underframe I can ever recall seeing. It is that underframe that makes it stick in my mind
because there were hollowed out places within it to account for the pivot of the trucks on sharp curves.
I have no idea when it was constructed or by whom and, unfortunately, never got a photo of the one that
satjust east f the Eastern States Farmers Exchange building for some years in the late 1970's and early
1980's. Does anyone know more about it from this meager description?
Cordially, Don Valentine
Good Morning, Everyone...Again
Thanks to Rupert Gamlen (CB&Q X-5 class) and Jim Gates ( ATSF Fe-K class.) for noting two classes missing in the 50 ft cars Excel data table. The two are definitely in the database but somehow my query that produced the excel spreadsheet was not constructed correctly (its complicated). So, here is the last word baring further notifications form RR specific knowledgeable list members.
The table lists 114 series and includes those built new up to 12-1929, those either new, or renumbered, or rebuilt without renumbering, or rebuilt and renumbered and in service in 1928,
I very much appreciated the interest and comments from the members and the opportunity to polish my query skills. There are 8500 series in the box car database: those that came into existence new between 1910- 1944, or as renumbered or rebuilt from those cars up through the 1960's. Series built prior to 1910 but with steel underframes are also included and similarly cars from select railroads that appeal to me: Illinois Central and absorbed lines at the moment. The box car database is a work in progress and is now nearing 35 years of data entry.
The dates in the format 1-18xx or 1-1900 are place holders: the year is documented but the month is pending documentation.
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:56 PM Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?Enjoy!Claus Schlund
I have several photos of the car that I haven't scanned. Here's a picture
I found on the internet somewhere. The car is an Fe-13 and first went to the
DT&I (lettering was visible when I took photos) and then the StJ&LC.
Tim
On 5/7/2019 7:58 AM, Donald B.
Valentine via Groups.Io wrote:
Speaking of early 50 ft. cars I'll bring this type up at least one of which ended up here in Vermont on ourlittle St. Johnsbury & Lamoille County RR. This was a 50 ft., single sheathed ex-Santa Fe car that had theheaviest cast underframe I can ever recall seeing. It is that underframe that makes it stick in my mindbecause there were hollowed out places within it to account for the pivot of the trucks on sharp curves.I have no idea when it was constructed or by whom and, unfortunately, never got a photo of the one thatsatjust east f the Eastern States Farmers Exchange building for some years in the late 1970's and early1980's. Does anyone know more about it from this meager description?
Cordially, Don Valentine
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Thank you Tim,
My memory is getting fuzzy as these are exactly the cars I was thinking of. For some reason this morning I was thinking they were still single sheathed rather than rebuilt from such. You are also correct about them going to the DT&I first as I also remember
the DT&I compass emblem showing through on the right end of each side but couldn't think how it was on the car when thinking
they were still single sheathed this morning. Does anyone have a photo of these cars as built or at least when still Santa Fe equipment? They must have been rather interesting as built also with that very heavy underframe.
Cordially, Don Valentine
Don
I photographed the car all over (except the roof) in the early 1990's and sent prints to Martin Lofton,
hoping that Sunshine would be interested in doing these.
I, too, was very impressed by that massive underframe. I took a number of pictures of that!
Tim O'Connor
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I photographed the car all over (except the roof) in the early 1990's and sent prints to Martin Lofton,
hoping that Sunshine would be interested in doing these.
I, too, was very impressed by that massive underframe. I took a number of pictures of that!
Tim O'Connor
On 5/7/2019 4:21 PM, Donald B.
Valentine via Groups.Io wrote:
Thank you Tim,
My memory is getting fuzzy as these are exactly the cars I was thinking of. For some reason this morning I was thinking they were still single sheathed rather than rebuilt from such. You are also correct about them going to the DT&I first as I also rememberthe DT&I compass emblem showing through on the right end of each side but couldn't think how it was on the car when thinkingthey were still single sheathed this morning. Does anyone have a photo of these cars as built or at least when still Santa Fe equipment? They must have been rather interesting as built also with that very heavy underframe.
Cordially, Don Valentine
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
Boy, those rivets look almost as substantial as the underframe!
Bill Daniels
Santa Rosa, CA
On Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 3:25:01 PM PDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:
"I photographed the car all over (except the roof) in the early
1990's and sent prints to Martin Lofton, hoping that Sunshine would be interested in doing these."
He eventually did.
Ben Hom
Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
On 5/7/2019 5:36 PM, Bill Daniels
via Groups.Io wrote:
Boy, those rivets look almost as substantial as the underframe!
I have never seen that kit but that was my
first thought. Then I thought maybe the picture and lighting
and shadows. Has anyone actually looked/have/built that kit?
-- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, SPROG, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
mopacfirst
I did just now go check on my Sunshine kit. It's 73.8, and it has several ends of different styles so you can mix and match like Santa Fe did. The sides are actually very nice, and the rivets are not giganto like the sales brochure made them look. Frankly, that could have been a test car with sides from something Athearn. The sides, incidentally, have the doors cast in place. There's a little klugy surface at the left edge where something may have happened to the master, but the grabs should cover that. The underframe casting is technically superb, with those four fishbelly frame members.
I'm definitely going to build this one, although frankly it could still be a couple years out.
Ron Merrick
I'm definitely going to build this one, although frankly it could still be a couple years out.
Ron Merrick