Tichy 4028 USRA steel rebuilt box car
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Andy Carlson
Any recommendation for which truck to use for this model? Also, is the roof from the Tichy kit correct for this car? Decal recommendation? Thanks, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA   |
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Kenneth Montero
Andy,
Walthers Proto 920-2003 Andrews trucks come very close:
The Kadee and Tahoe Andrews trucks are different - look at the bottom straps attached to the bottom supports of the journal boxes.
Ken Montero
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Eric Hansmann
It's not just the straps that differentiate the two HO scale Andrews trucks that are noted.
The Kadee Andrews trucks represents an earlier L-section casting that was in use into the early 1950s. January 1, 1957 was the final deadline for the ban on T-, L- and I-section truck sideframes.
The Tahoe Andrews truck represents a U-section casting that came into use in the late Teens, possibly with the USRA cars.
I do not know what prototype the Walthers/Proto2000 Andrews trucks follow. They appeared when Proto2000 produced the Mather box and stock cars. I'm not familiar with the type of bolster used on this truck. It seems like a pair of I-beams.
Eric Hansmann
Media, PA
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brianleppert@att.net
Andy,
Tahoe Model Works offers the only accurate USRA Andrews truck in HO scale. See attached. Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV |
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I agree Tahoe trucks are accurate and great but remember that Accurail also makes this truck for their USRA DS boxcars. It doesn't look bad either. Fenton Andy, --
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Andy Carlson
My thanks for all of the help I received, both on-line and off. I am going to go outside today as we have had a lot of unusual rainfall this last week and more is on its way. BBQ scallops and Halibut, not a bad start for the year! -Andy Carlson _._,_._,_
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Eric Hansmann
The Accurail Andrews trucks are very nice, but reflect a 70-ton version. The wheelbase is slightly longer.
Eric Hansmann Media. PA
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2023 12:38 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy 4028 USRA steel rebuilt box car
I agree Tahoe trucks are accurate and great but remember that Accurail also makes this truck for their USRA DS boxcars. It doesn't look bad either. Fenton
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Thanks Eric, that I didn't know. Fenton On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 1:59 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
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Eric Hansmann
IIRC, Dennis has mentioned it on this list a few times in the past.
Eric Hansmann Media, PA
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2023 2:01 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy 4028 USRA steel rebuilt box car
Thanks Eric, that I didn't know. Fenton
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 1:59 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
-- Fenton Wells Pinehurst NC 28374 |
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WILLIAM PARDIE
The Accurail truck is a nice truck, however. the wheels are spaced a little further apart than the Kadee and Tahoe.. I discovered this when building some 36 ft stock cars. The Acurail did not look right. Now if someone would just produce the Santa Fe version of the Andrews truck I will finally be the complete man. I have been beating this drum for years. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> Date: 1/2/23 7:38 AM (GMT-10:00) To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy 4028 USRA steel rebuilt box car I agree Tahoe trucks are accurate and great but remember that Accurail also makes this truck for their USRA DS boxcars. It doesn't look bad either. Fenton Andy, |
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And what prototype do the Tichy Andrews trucks represent?
When I recently built a P&LE version of the Tichy kit, I sourced the Proto2000 trucks from eBay as they appeared to most closely resemble the trucks in various prototype photos. It is a great kit to build. If you purchased your kit recently it may not have the template for the side grab irons. Mine didn't. I made my own from thick sheet plastic and it worked. My notes on the build are at https://srandsp.blogspot.com/2022/06/here-it-is-middle-of-june-and-i-finally.html and https://srandsp.blogspot.com/2022/05/port-costa-layout-in-stasis-for-april.html (covers the template) And we still need to answer the OP's original question about the Tichy kit roof being correct for the Fort Dodge prototype. -- Ken Adams Covid Variants may come and go but I choose to still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude Location: About half way up Walnut Creek Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io |
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I never throw away things like grab templates.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...>
And what prototype do the Tichy Andrews trucks represent? |
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Eric Hansmann
Did the Fort Dodge cars come from the P&LE/PMcK&Y? The Tichy kit reflects the rebuild done for the P&LE/PMcK&Y prototypes.
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USRA box car rebuilds had differences across owners. Few, if any, were rebuilt in the same way. Eric Hansmann Media, PA On Jan 2, 2023, at 3:06 PM, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:
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Dave Parker
I know we have covered some or much of this before, but here are a couple of thoughts:
1. In the photo that Andy originally posted, those look like straight-up USRA Andrews to me. If it's a rebuilt USRA car, that would seem the simplest explanation for the origin of the trucks. 2. I agree with Brian; the Tahoe MW Andrews is the most accurate and available version of the USRA truck. I would note that Rapido now makes a similarly accurate truck but, to date, it only seems to come with their USRA box-cars. The Rapido 2D-F8 (also nicely done) is available separately, so perhaps the Andrews will be some day as well. 3. Here is a photo that compares the Tahoe (top) and Accurail (bottom) Andrews trucks:  , You can see the "elongation:" of the Accurail (it is on 68 or 69" wheelbase) and it looks a little beefier in the center. The longer wheelbase is consistent with a 70-ton truck, but the Accurail looks NOTHING like the actual 70-ton Andrews:  The Bowser Crown 2E-F2 gets you pretty close the USRA 70-tonner, but there are some measurable differences in side-frame shape and dimensions. Hope this helps. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA |
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brianleppert@att.net
I believe the Tichy Andrews truck is based on drawings for an Andrews type by Buckeye Steel Castings Co. appearing in the 1928 edition (and maybe other years) of the Car Builders' Cyclopedia, page 810. Although very well dimensioned, I have never seen photos of a real truck made following that drawing.
Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV |
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The Ft D DM & S are all ex- Rock Island Rich Christie |
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My suspicion was always that the FtDDM&S rebuilt USRA boxcars were either RI or C&NW, or both.
I have accumulated several photos of them from a variety of sources. This snip comes from FtDDM&S 15040 and the new sides are supported by triangular gussets. The RI purchased/leased some ex-C&NW rebuilds in the 50’s that had triangular gussets.
While Andy’s photo shows clipped rectangular gussets which were common with Rock Island rebuilds in the 134xxx series.
Both the RI and C&NW cars had uneven side panel spacing W-N-N-W-D-W-N-N-W (W=Wider, N=Narrower, D=Door). I think that the Tichy car has even side panel widths.
Also note that both the RI and C&NW cars had a blank panel between the upper and two lower corrugated end panels.
Perhaps TMI.
Happy New Year, Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2023 2:18 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy 4028 USRA steel rebuilt box car
Did the Fort Dodge cars come from the P&LE/PMcK&Y? The Tichy kit reflects the rebuild done for the P&LE/PMcK&Y prototypes.
USRA box car rebuilds had differences across owners. Few, if any, were rebuilt in the same way.
Eric Hansmann Media, PA
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Dennis Storzek
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 02:07 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:
And we still need to answer the OP's original question about the Tichy kit roof being correct for the Fort Dodge prototype.A bigger problem than the roof is the ends. As Eric mentioned, The Tichy kit models cars P&LE rebuilt from USRA SINGLE SHEATHED boxcars. Those cars had narrower ends than the double sheathed cars, so the small offset typically used to adapt the new sides, shown in all the photos presented so far, wouldn't work. The solution was wide angles riveted to the face of the ends, which Tichy faithfully models. The other issue, also mentioned, is P&LE did not increase the height of their cars, so the ends lack the flat panel spliced between the top two corrugated panels. Dennis Storzek |
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Thanks for sharing, I’m learning a lot
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Fenton On Jan 2, 2023, at 5:28 PM, Dennis Storzek via groups.io <soolinehistory@...> wrote:
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brianleppert@att.net
Eric Hansmann wondered about the prototype of Walthers/Proto200 Andrews trucks. I think theirs is based the trucks under this Mather box car.
Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV |
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