Unloading Building Supplies (1936)
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Unloading Building Supplies (1936) Photo from the Ann Arbor District Library https://aadl.org/sites/default/files/photos/N016_0659_002.jpeg Click on photo to enlarge it. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA |
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I wonder what the lettering on the second car is?
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Rob On Oct 24, 2022, at 11:35 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote: Unloading Building Supplies (1936) Photo from the Ann Arbor District Library Click on photo to enlarge it. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Steven D Johnson
Rob,
It appears to be C&EI.
Steve Johnson
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I wonder what the lettering on the second car is?
Rob On Oct 24, 2022, at 11:35 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
Unloading Building Supplies (1936) Photo from the Ann Arbor District Library Click on photo to enlarge it. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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That makes sense. Thanks Steve. That would be a nice car to model - as would most of the train.
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I am also curious about a suitable model for the UP car. Rob On Oct 24, 2022, at 11:44 AM, Steven D Johnson <tenncentralrwy@...> wrote: Rob, It appears to be C&EI. Steve Johnson From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert kirkham Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:40 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Unloading Building Supplies (1936) I wonder what the lettering on the second car is? Rob Unloading Building Supplies (1936) Photo from the Ann Arbor District Library Click on photo to enlarge it. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA |
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Philip Dove
Notice how the dust, possibly cement or lime dust is sitting deep on the horizontals of the first car. If a car was dedicated to cement service the deposits could sit inches thick on horizontal surfaces and stay there due to having got wet and then set. The truck in the foreground has been adapted to carry long timbers. What happened if the driver braked suddenly? The guy in a collar and tie loading planks onto the trailer: is he unloading planks from a second line of cars hidden behind those photographed, or is he just posing in an impossible place? I can't believe a lumber door in the end of the car would allow enough room for such a long plank to be manouvered out between the cars. A very interesting picture. |
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Lumber was not loaded or unloaded via lumber doors in the end of cars. These small doors were only used to provide enough “maneuvering” room to get the board in or out of the side door. Note the second car has double doors, IF it is a 40’ car, a board would have to exceed 28’ in length to even require the use of the lumber door. The boards on the wagon are not the long.
It does have all appearances of a “posed” photo. There are several men in ties, ie lumber company officials, in various positions. Note the workers standing next to the tender. And why is a switch engine even there? The cars are obviously not empty, so not ready to be moved.
Doug Harding https://www.facebook.com/douglas.harding.3156/ Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Philip Dove
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 7:37 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Unloading Building Supplies (1936)
Notice how the dust, possibly cement or lime dust is sitting deep on the horizontals of the first car. If a car was dedicated to cement service the deposits could sit inches thick on horizontal surfaces and stay there due to having got wet and then set. The truck in the foreground has been adapted to carry long timbers. What happened if the driver braked suddenly? A very interesting picture. |
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Craig Wilson
I especially enjoyed seeing the Fingerle Lumber vehicles (pronounced Finger-LEE). Fingerle Lumber was a prominent builder supply business located in the city of Ann Arbor located just north (railroad "west") of the Ann Arbor Railroad's Ferry Yard. The yard was right next to the University of Michigan football stadium and was the destination of many football special trains on fall weekends. Fingerle Lumber was an active customer on the AARR through the 1980's and 1990's. Craig Wilson |
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Benjamin Hom
Robert Kirkham asked: I am also curious about a suitable model for the UP car. HO scale? Westerfield 7355, B-50-6 40' DS Box Car, Modern, 5-5-5 Ends, 1924-1936 Lettering, UP & Subsidiaries Ben Hom |
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Interesting photo full of useful modeling ideas. Thanks, Bob. The guys in suits do seem a bit overdressed for the occasion...the Fingerle Brothers?
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Bob, how did you find that photo ?? I tried navigating the web site but could not find any photos at all. On 10/24/2022 2:44 PM, Steven D Johnson wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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It's not an easy site to use.
Here is the link to the photos: Old News Photos | Ann Arbor District Library (aadl.org) Then use the format box and search box. Good luck. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA |
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I sent the photo to a friend of mine who is a big U of M fan and grad, (along with her hubby) at 6 years she was crossing those tracks to go to the games. She attached a little of what became of the lumber co. Fenton
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Dennis Storzek
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 07:37 AM, Philip Dove wrote:
The truck in the foreground has been adapted to carry long timbers. What happened if the driver braked suddenly?This arrangement was common on this side of the pond into the sixties on steel delivery trucks, since steel is typically sold in longer lengths than lumber The railroad museum I was active at years ago had a succession of these trucks that we used to haul donated rail; one was a Diamond T of early fifties vintage that had bi-fold doors, like on a phone booth, so the driver could enter the single seat cab, the other was a mid fifties International that had a roof hatch for access. We also had a '47 International fitted with a pole auger (for setting line poles) with a similar rack on the right side so it could carry the pole it was going to set. The load should stay if properly tied down, although I've heard this story: Cop, "Why didn't you stop when the light turned red?" Driver, "Well, it's like this. You could have had the truck go through the intersection with the rail on it, or the rail go through by itself." The guy in a collar and tie loading planks onto the trailer: is he unloading planks from a second line of cars hidden behind those photographed, or is he just posing in an impossible place? I can't believe a lumber door in the end of the car would allow enough room for such a long plank to be manouvered out between the cars.I also think this is a staged photo, and they wanted to show as muck of their equipment as would fit. Dennis Storzek |
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Thanks Ben.
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On Oct 25, 2022, at 9:14 AM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote: Robert Kirkham asked: I am also curious about a suitable model for the UP car. HO scale? Westerfield 7355, B-50-6 40' DS Box Car, Modern, 5-5-5 Ends, 1924-1936 Lettering, UP & Subsidiaries Ben Hom |
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Scott H. Haycock
I don't think any modifications have been made to that truck. The cab is narrower than the bed or the footboard and front fender. The boards are just resting on the fender, and appear to be strapped together. The sideboards on the bed keep the load on the truck. The load may possibly be tied down at the rear of the bed.
I can almost see an employee in the passenger seat with his arm out the window, keeping the load from slipping off the fender!
Scott Haycock
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Andy Carlson
In my earlier years here in Southern California, it was very common for plumbing companies (and carpenter contractors) to have a steel mini-rack welded to the front-right fender such as seen on that 1934 ford pick up. With an accompaning similar rack connected to the right-rear fender/bed, long sections of pipe could be easily carried to job sites. These types are still found today, though in much less numbers, as the lumber/pipe racks which extend over the truck's cab roof allows long pieces in larger numbers and are very common on contractors trucks today also with long ladders. A steel company I worked at evenings during my college years had a Mack truck with a factory narrow cab with the right side of the flat bed extending to the front bumper on the right side. There was zero way anyone could enter the truck from the curb side! -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 11:25:27 AM PDT, Dennis Storzek via groups.io <soolinehistory@...> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 07:37 AM, Philip Dove wrote: The truck in the foreground has been adapted to carry long timbers. What happened if the driver braked suddenly?This arrangement was common on this side of the pond into the sixties on steel delivery trucks, since steel is typically sold in longer lengths than lumber The railroad museum I was active at years ago had a succession of these trucks that we used to haul donated rail; one was a Diamond T of early fifties vintage that had bi-fold doors, like on a phone booth, so the driver could enter the single seat cab, the other was a mid fifties International that had a roof hatch for access. We also had a '47 International fitted with a pole auger (for setting line poles) with a similar rack on the right side so it could carry the pole it was going to set. The load should stay if properly tied down, although I've heard this story: Cop, "Why didn't you stop when the light turned red?" Driver, "Well, it's like this. You could have had the truck go through the intersection with the rail on it, or the rail go through by itself." Dennis Storzek |
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Here are two aerial shots of the Fingerle Lumber Co. from the same collection. https://aadl.org/sites/default/files/photos/N014_0227_001.jpg https://aadl.org/sites/default/files/photos/N014_0227_002.jpg
This is a large complex that fits neatly into a triangle space between tracks and streets. Would make an interesting scene on a layout.
Doug Harding https://www.facebook.com/douglas.harding.3156/ Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad
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Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 1:13 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Unloading Building Supplies (1936)
I sent the photo to a friend of mine who is a big U of M fan and grad, (along with her hubby) at 6 years she was crossing those tracks to go to the games. She attached a little of what became of the lumber co. Fenton
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 12:20 PM ottokroutil via groups.io <otask=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Scott H. Haycock
I think you're right, Andy. At first glance, I thought it looked like a buckle-strap.
Scott Haycock
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Wow, what great photos ! I lived just 1/4 mile away and I never knew about this place. As a student I guess I was preoccupied with other things... :-) On 10/25/2022 3:05 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Philip Dove
In the UK the London Midland and Scottish railway built the bodywork for all their larger trucks before the 2nd World War. They built the trucks with an offset cab so long thin loads could be carried alongside the passe ger side of the cab. Even Ford A trucks with a covered back had a small hatch in the cover for long loads. |
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