Vallejo equivalent for PFE orange?


Robert kirkham
 

Hi there,

I'm working on a Red Caboose R-30-12-9, and its time for paint.  If any of you have landed on a Vallejo mix for a faded PFE orange, I'd appreciate hearing what colours you used.

Rob 


gtws00
 

I recently completed a pair of WP/PFE R30-9 rebuilds and used AK interactive Light Rust #11105. This is an acrylic much like Vallejo. I found this to be a very close match to a painted Red Caboose R-30 series reefer. 
George Toman
 


Kevin Macomber
 

Have you tried both Vallejo and AK? Is there any difference?

Kevin

On 2022-06-25 06:48, gtws00 via groups.io wrote:
I recently completed a pair of WP/PFE R30-9 rebuilds and used AK
interactive Light Rust #11105. This is an acrylic much like Vallejo. I
found this to be a very close match to a painted Red Caboose R-30
series reefer.
George Toman
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O Fenton Wells
 

Nicely done george, color does look excellent
Fenton

On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 7:48 AM gtws00 via groups.io <gtws00=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I recently completed a pair of WP/PFE R30-9 rebuilds and used AK interactive Light Rust #11105. This is an acrylic much like Vallejo. I found this to be a very close match to a painted Red Caboose R-30 series reefer. 
George Toman
 



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gtws00
 

Kevin, I have mostly Vallejo and picked up about a dozen colors of AK for variety and to try. I find that they spray much the same. I used Vallejo Thinner and Flow Improver in the AK paints with no problems. Spray at my usual 18 to 20 psi with a .3 or .5 nozzle.
George Toman


Lester Breuer
 

Robert the Vallejo color I have used for PFE reefers is Vallejo Model Color Bright Orange 70.851.  A couple of photos of PFE 60910 airbrushed with this color.  After dry  PollyScale Clear Gloss #F404100 for decal base and after decals applied with Model Master Flat Clear Acryl #4636.

Lester Breuer


Robert kirkham
 

thanks for the suggestion.  I’ve enjoyed AK paints too, but never thought of “rust”, lol.  It does look good.  

AK is a bit of a problem, not easily available most of the shops i buy at, so its always special order.  Valejo is - well, just about everywhere,

Rob 

On Jun 25, 2022, at 4:48 AM, gtws00 via groups.io <gtws00@...> wrote:

I recently completed a pair of WP/PFE R30-9 rebuilds and used AK interactive Light Rust #11105. This is an acrylic much like Vallejo. I found this to be a very close match to a painted Red Caboose R-30 series reefer. 
George Toman
 
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Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Lester.   A nice looking model.  

Rob 

On Jun 25, 2022, at 8:20 AM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

Robert the Vallejo color I have used for PFE reefers is Vallejo Model Color Bright Orange 70.851.  A couple of photos of PFE 60910 airbrushed with this color.  After dry  PollyScale Clear Gloss #F404100 for decal base and after decals applied with Model Master Flat Clear Acryl #4636.

Lester Breuer

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Ken Adams
 

I too have used the Vallejo Model Color Bright Orange 70.851 for hand brushed PFE Orange sides. The excellent leveling quality of the Model Color paint leaves almost no traces of any brush marks if carefully done. Since my earlier efforts, I now put a drop of Vallejo Airbrush thinner 71.061 to 5-7 drops of paint and it works better than straight from the bottle for hand brushing.

Personally, I think the Bright Orange 70.851 is a slightly brighter color that reflects a bit of the sun bleaching that PFE cars would get after a year in service and 6 or more trips across the country since being painted at Roseville or LA PFE shops.  

I am still using Pledge (whatever J&J marketing calls it this year) for decal preparation after painting. I follow the decaling up with Tamiya TS-80 flat clear and an appropriate light weathering. 

The condition of PFE cars will depend on where you are modeling.  Until the mid 1950's PFE washed the car exterior as they came back empty through Pocatello, Roseville or LA after each trip east. Western produce and fruit shippers expected a clean car to be placed for loading. In the mid fifties the practice of washing after each round trip was dropped. However, for the very end of the steam era it was in place. Of course there were exceptions and modeling reefers after a loaded trip east through the snow sheds of the Sierras behind an oil burning cab forward would justify a slight black patina of burnt bunker oil soot on the roof and sides of the car.  Diesel soot had the same effect. 
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Ken Adams
 

"However, for the very end of the steam era it was in place."  Should read "However, except for the very end of the steam era it was in place." 
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=ob
Have you looked at Tru Color Paints PFE orange? They offer a few different shades of that orange.
Andy Jackson


Robert kirkham
 

Thanks for the additional comments Ken.  I too really like the self levelling quality of Vallejo - its just great with their airbrush thinner and a brush.

Regarding colour - i realize that any model paint choice is just a starting reference, depending on the wear and tear one wants to model.  I’m tempted to try to model the really yellowed fade evident in some of the Delano photos, but I think that is hard to pull off credibly, and want to start with a close approximate to the fresh paint and experiment.

I model June 1946, Vancouver BC, so miles of rain and mud from California, and 4.5 years after Pearl was bombed and regular maintenance was way down the priority list.   I’m busy looking at various Youtube videos from around that time, showing PFE cars in trains and will try to capture some of that . . .

Still enjoying all the options this hobby invites . . . 

Rob     

On Jun 25, 2022, at 11:47 AM, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:

I too have used the Vallejo Model Color Bright Orange 70.851 for hand brushed PFE Orange sides. The excellent leveling quality of the Model Color paint leaves almost no traces of any brush marks if carefully done. Since my earlier efforts, I now put a drop of Vallejo Airbrush thinner 71.061 to 5-7 drops of paint and it works better than straight from the bottle for hand brushing.

Personally, I think the Bright Orange 70.851 is a slightly brighter color that reflects a bit of the sun bleaching that PFE cars would get after a year in service and 6 or more trips across the country since being painted at Roseville or LA PFE shops.  

I am still using Pledge (whatever J&J marketing calls it this year) for decal preparation after painting. I follow the decaling up with Tamiya TS-80 flat clear and an appropriate light weathering. 

The condition of PFE cars will depend on where you are modeling.  Until the mid 1950's PFE washed the car exterior as they came back empty through Pocatello, Roseville or LA after each trip east. Western produce and fruit shippers expected a clean car to be placed for loading. In the mid fifties the practice of washing after each round trip was dropped. However, for the very end of the steam era it was in place. Of course there were exceptions and modeling reefers after a loaded trip east through the snow sheds of the Sierras behind an oil burning cab forward would justify a slight black patina of burnt bunker oil soot on the roof and sides of the car.  Diesel soot had the same effect. 
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Ken Adams
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Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Robert kirkham
 

i’ll give it a look.  Thanks for the suggestion Andy

On Jun 25, 2022, at 1:14 PM, Andy Jackson <lajrmdlr@...> wrote:

=ob
Have you looked at Tru Color Paints PFE orange? They offer a few different shades of that orange.
Andy Jackson


Bob Chaparro
 

Tony Thompson commented on this on the ESPEE group:

https://groups.io/g/Espee/topic/91988434

https://groups.io/g/Espee/message/115741

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Robert kirkham
 

Thanks for posting this Bob; i’m not on the ESPEE group.   In terms of colour matching, i see what Tony was saying.  

That said, looking at colour images from back in the day, i’ll be trying to achieve something much more faded and worn out, as shown in the video i posted earlier.  Maybe not “school bus yellow”, as i can see orange on most of the obviously PFE cars in the train, but it's subtle.

Rob   

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Tony Thompson commented on this on the ESPEE group:
Bob Chaparro
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Geodyssey
 

PFE orange and SP Daylight orange are the same color.  It was also used on pre-gray SP locomotives and other SP applications like caboose ends & cupolas.

So if you come across a suitable Daylight orange, it will also work for PFE equipment.

Rob Simpson


Kevin Macomber
 

I have Floquil SP Daylight on the shelf if there is any interest.

-K

On 2022-06-26 10:28, Geodyssey wrote:
PFE orange and SP Daylight orange are the same color. It was also
used on pre-gray SP locomotives and other SP applications like caboose
ends & cupolas.
So if you come across a suitable Daylight orange, it will also work
for PFE equipment.
Rob Simpson
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