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Tony Thompson
 

I was thinking through some planned car projects, and remembered (or thought I did) that sometime back there was developed here a list of all the box cars that got the “corrugated” Viking roofs. But I can’t find it. So I have two questions: is my memory correct? And if so, can anyone suggest a key word to search on? Any help appreciated.

Tony Thompson
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Allan Smith <smithal9@...>
 

Ed Mines Mainline Modeler Nov 1986

Al Smith Sonora CA

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 04:04:48 PM PST, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


I was thinking through some planned car  projects, and remembered (or thought I did) that sometime back there was developed here a list of all the box cars that got the “corrugated” Viking roofs. But I can’t find it. So I have two questions: is my memory correct? And if so, can anyone suggest a key word to search on? Any help appreciated.

Tony Thompson








Tony Thompson
 

Al Smith  wrote:

Ed Mines Mainline Modeler Nov 1986

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 04:04:48 PM PST, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

I was thinking through some planned car  projects, and remembered (or thought I did) that sometime back there was developed here a list of all the box cars that got the “corrugated” Viking roofs. But I can’t find it. So I have two questions: is my memory correct? And if so, can anyone suggest a key word to search on? Any help appreciated.

I’m somewhat agog that my memory reaches back 35 years . . . but thanks much, Al. Just what I needed.

Tony Thompson




Tim O'Connor
 


Figures. That's one of about 3 issues of Mainline Modeler I do not have. :-D

I don't recall any compilation of all of the cars with the Viking 'corrugated' roof. Ed Hawkins did specify
the type of roof in several of his roster documents, but I don't know if anyone pulled out all of the Viking
instances he shows into a single list.


On 1/10/2023 4:40 PM, Allan Smith wrote:

Ed Mines Mainline Modeler Nov 1986

Al Smith Sonora CA

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 04:04:48 PM PST, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

I was thinking through some planned car  projects, and remembered (or thought I did) that sometime back there was developed here a list of all the box cars that got the “corrugated” Viking roofs. But I can’t find it. So I have two questions: is my memory correct? And if so, can anyone suggest a key word to search on? Any help appreciated.

Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

I bought the C&O Historical Society DVD of all the Mainline Modelers.

 

 

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:41 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Viking roofs

 


Figures. That's one of about 3 issues of Mainline Modeler I do not have. :-D

I don't recall any compilation of all of the cars with the Viking 'corrugated' roof. Ed Hawkins did specify
the type of roof in several of his roster documents, but I don't know if anyone pulled out all of the Viking
instances he shows into a single list.


On 1/10/2023 4:40 PM, Allan Smith wrote:

Ed Mines Mainline Modeler Nov 1986

 

Al Smith Sonora CA

 

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 04:04:48 PM PST, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

 

I was thinking through some planned car  projects, and remembered (or thought I did) that sometime back there was developed here a list of all the box cars that got the “corrugated” Viking roofs. But I can’t find it. So I have two questions: is my memory correct? And if so, can anyone suggest a key word to search on? Any help appreciated.

 

Tony Thompson

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek
 

If you are missing some, or a lot, of MM issues, the C&O Historical Society sells a CD with all of them.  Doesn’t handle foldouts well, but it has the material.

 

Jim van Gaasbeek

Irvine, CA

 

 

Allan Smith <smithal9@...>
 

Two more cars to add to the list.
NS 25500-25752, NW 47500-47999.

Al Smith

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 04:41:14 AM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Figures. That's one of about 3 issues of Mainline Modeler I do not have. :-D

I don't recall any compilation of all of the cars with the Viking 'corrugated' roof. Ed Hawkins did specify
the type of roof in several of his roster documents, but I don't know if anyone pulled out all of the Viking
instances he shows into a single list.


On 1/10/2023 4:40 PM, Allan Smith wrote:
Ed Mines Mainline Modeler Nov 1986

Al Smith Sonora CA

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 04:04:48 PM PST, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

I was thinking through some planned car  projects, and remembered (or thought I did) that sometime back there was developed here a list of all the box cars that got the “corrugated” Viking roofs. But I can’t find it. So I have two questions: is my memory correct? And if so, can anyone suggest a key word to search on? Any help appreciated.

Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

ed_mines
 

I don't recall ever seeing a list.

Chicago &  Northwestern had a lot, maybe even more than Erie.

I think all of Van Sweringen roads had them - Erie, NKP, PM & C&O. 

Tony Thompson
 

Ed Mines wrote:
I don't recall ever seeing a list.

Chicago &  Northwestern had a lot, maybe even more than Erie.

I think all of Van Sweringen roads had them - Erie, NKP, PM & C&O. 


I am attaching the roster from Ed Mines’ article in the November 1986 _Mainline Modeler_ issue. This is certainly “a list” but clearly was never proof-read by anyone who knew anything about the subject. Years ago, I made the marks that you see here, but I don’t claim the remainder is without fault. Still, there is a lot of info here. Comments invited.

Tony Thompson


ed_mines
 

I have no recollection of making up that list or even seeing it.

Then again, I frequently don't know what day of the week it is..

The Pere Marquette freight car book came out in 2001, long after the article appeared.

A war department related government agency had a few too.and maybe a short line like the original NS.

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

Your list is missing the C&EI cars -- "War Bonds" -- series 64000-64499

Also these

CMO series 20000-21398 blt 1941 ACF
CMO series 21400-22414 blt 1942 GATC
CNW series 71000-71998 blt 1941 PS
CNW series 72000-72998 blt 1941-1942 ACF
CNW series 73000-74398 blt 1942 ACF
CNW series 76900-77414 blt 1942 PS

And these USRA DS rebuilds

CMO series 37100-37498 rbt 1941-1942 HUDSON SHOPS


On 1/11/2023 3:58 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:

Ed Mines wrote:
I don't recall ever seeing a list.

Chicago &  Northwestern had a lot, maybe even more than Erie.

I think all of Van Sweringen roads had them - Erie, NKP, PM & C&O. 


I am attaching the roster from Ed Mines’ article in the November 1986 _Mainline Modeler_ issue. This is certainly “a list” but clearly was never proof-read by anyone who knew anything about the subject. Years ago, I made the marks that you see here, but I don’t claim the remainder is without fault. Still, there is a lot of info here. Comments invited.

Tony Thompson

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Tony Thompson
 

Your list is missing the C&EI cars -- "War Bonds" -- series 64000-64499

Not my list, it’s Ed Mines list from the Mainline Modeler article.         Tony

David Smith
 

The C&O Historical Society Mainline Modeler compilation is also available as a download, if your computer, like mine, no longer has a CD/DVD drive. 

Dave Smith

David
 

Here's a start. It's not complete; I need to track down Erie's double-door cars and the NKP 87000 series.

David Thompson


Viking Corrugated roof

40'ft sd

 500 C&EI 64000-64499  GATC 1/37      AAR 1937

 500 C&O 4000-4499     GATC 10-11/36  AAR 1937
 500 C&O 5000-5499     GATC 7-8/37    AAR 1937

  25 CMO 20000~20048e  ACF 10/41      AAR 1937 Modified
 175 CMO 20050~20398e  ACF /41        AAR 1937 Modified
 500 CMO 20400~21398e  ACF 10/41      AAR 1937 Modified
 508 CMO 21400~22414e  GATC 4/42      AAR 1937 Modified
 200 CMO 37100~37498e  1941-42        USRA ds rebuild, 10'0" ih

 250 C&NW 65000~65498e 1937           USRA ds rebuild, 10'0" ih
 100 C&NW 65500~65698e 1940           USRA ds rebuild, 10'0" ih
 860 C&NW 65700~67418e 1940-42        USRA ds rebuild, 10'0" ih
 500 C&NW 71000~71998e P-S 11/41      AAR 1937 Modified
 500 C&NW 72000~72998e ACF 1/42       AAR 1937 Modified
 700 C&NW 73000~74398e ACF 5/42       AAR 1937 Modified
 258 C&NW 76900~77414e P-S 5/42       AAR 1937 Modified
 417 C&NW 77416~78248e P-S 12/43-1/44 War Emergency s/s

  55 Erie 6600-6654    Grv 6-8/35     AAR class BM
  80 Erie 6655-6734    Grv 6/37       AAR class BM
 500 Erie 76500-76999  ACF 9/34       ARA 1932
 500 Erie 78400-78499  ACF 6/36       AAR 1937
 500 Erie 78500-78999  ACF 1/40       AAR 1937
 200 Erie 79000-79199  P-S 2-3/40     AAR 1937

 500 NKP 15000-15499   GATC 8-10/36   AAR 1937
 500 NKP 15500-15999   GATC 9/37      AAR 1937

   1 NPF 57            ACF 6/37       AAR 1937; Naval Powder Factory, Indian Head,MD
   2 NPF 58,59         ACF 1/40       AAR 1937; Naval Powder Factory, Indian Head,MD
   8 NNY 623-630       ACF 5/40       AAR 1937; Norfolk Navy Yard
   1 NNY (none)        ACF 5/40       AAR 1937; Norfolk Navy Yard

 500 NS 25000-25499    P-S 11/35-1/36 ARA 1932; railroad class XM2
 253 NS 25500-25752    Magor 12/41    AAR 1937; railroad class XM3; to XM6 28000-28236

   2 USNAD 12,13       ACF 1/40       AAR 1937; US Naval Depot, Ft. Mifflin


40'ft dd

 150 C&O 6250-6499     P-S 1/36       10'4" ih
  50 C&O 6500-6549     ACF 6/34       10'0" ih; railroad class AF5-2

 500 Erie 98200-98699  ACF 6/34
 300 Erie 96700-96999      8/36



  25 NS 26000-26024    Mag 4/37       10'3" ih; railroad class XAR1/XM4

 400 PM 93000-93399    Ral 10/36      10'4" ih

 150 W&LE 30000-30149  1934-36        steel rebuild from s/s box

 10  WM 30000-30009    Grv 9/36       10'4" ih


50ft'sd

 300 C&NW 105000~105598e MtV 5/40


50ft'dd

 100 C&O 6700-6799     MtV 8/34       10'0" ih; railroad class AF5-1
 100 C&O 6800-6899     Grv 10/40      10'0" ih

 100 PM 71250-71349    Ral 10/36      10'0" ih
 100 PM 72000-72099    Grv 12/40      10'0" ih
 100 PM 72100-72199    Grv 9/41       10'0" ih

Don Burn
 

Add to the list

MEC 5000 to 6003 which were 1923 A.R.A. All Steel Boxcars with early Viking roofs.

Don Burn

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Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 7:10 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Viking roofs

Here's a start. It's not complete; I need to track down Erie's double-door cars and the NKP 87000 series.

David Thompson


Viking Corrugated roof

40'ft sd

500 C&EI 64000-64499 GATC 1/37 AAR 1937

500 C&O 4000-4499 GATC 10-11/36 AAR 1937
500 C&O 5000-5499 GATC 7-8/37 AAR 1937

25 CMO 20000~20048e ACF 10/41 AAR 1937 Modified
175 CMO 20050~20398e ACF /41 AAR 1937 Modified
500 CMO 20400~21398e ACF 10/41 AAR 1937 Modified
508 CMO 21400~22414e GATC 4/42 AAR 1937 Modified
200 CMO 37100~37498e 1941-42 USRA ds rebuild, 10'0" ih

250 C&NW 65000~65498e 1937 USRA ds rebuild, 10'0" ih
100 C&NW 65500~65698e 1940 USRA ds rebuild, 10'0" ih
860 C&NW 65700~67418e 1940-42 USRA ds rebuild, 10'0" ih
500 C&NW 71000~71998e P-S 11/41 AAR 1937 Modified
500 C&NW 72000~72998e ACF 1/42 AAR 1937 Modified
700 C&NW 73000~74398e ACF 5/42 AAR 1937 Modified
258 C&NW 76900~77414e P-S 5/42 AAR 1937 Modified
417 C&NW 77416~78248e P-S 12/43-1/44 War Emergency s/s

55 Erie 6600-6654 Grv 6-8/35 AAR class BM
80 Erie 6655-6734 Grv 6/37 AAR class BM
500 Erie 76500-76999 ACF 9/34 ARA 1932
500 Erie 78400-78499 ACF 6/36 AAR 1937
500 Erie 78500-78999 ACF 1/40 AAR 1937
200 Erie 79000-79199 P-S 2-3/40 AAR 1937

500 NKP 15000-15499 GATC 8-10/36 AAR 1937
500 NKP 15500-15999 GATC 9/37 AAR 1937

1 NPF 57 ACF 6/37 AAR 1937; Naval Powder Factory, Indian Head,MD
2 NPF 58,59 ACF 1/40 AAR 1937; Naval Powder Factory, Indian Head,MD
8 NNY 623-630 ACF 5/40 AAR 1937; Norfolk Navy Yard
1 NNY (none) ACF 5/40 AAR 1937; Norfolk Navy Yard

500 NS 25000-25499 P-S 11/35-1/36 ARA 1932; railroad class XM2
253 NS 25500-25752 Magor 12/41 AAR 1937; railroad class XM3; to
XM6 28000-28236

2 USNAD 12,13 ACF 1/40 AAR 1937; US Naval Depot, Ft.
Mifflin


40'ft dd

150 C&O 6250-6499 P-S 1/36 10'4" ih
50 C&O 6500-6549 ACF 6/34 10'0" ih; railroad class AF5-2

500 Erie 98200-98699 ACF 6/34
300 Erie 96700-96999 8/36



25 NS 26000-26024 Mag 4/37 10'3" ih; railroad class XAR1/XM4

400 PM 93000-93399 Ral 10/36 10'4" ih

150 W&LE 30000-30149 1934-36 steel rebuild from s/s box

10 WM 30000-30009 Grv 9/36 10'4" ih


50ft'sd

300 C&NW 105000~105598e MtV 5/40


50ft'dd

100 C&O 6700-6799 MtV 8/34 10'0" ih; railroad class AF5-1
100 C&O 6800-6899 Grv 10/40 10'0" ih

100 PM 71250-71349 Ral 10/36 10'0" ih
100 PM 72000-72099 Grv 12/40 10'0" ih
100 PM 72100-72199 Grv 9/41 10'0" ih

Jim Betz
 

Dave Smith/anyone ...

  I have a USB CD/DVD drive.  Works fine for my laptop on the rare occasions
I need it.  Also works on a desktop.  Does not seem to be platform specific
(drivers available for either MacOS or Windows).  Under $40.
                                                                                                        - Jim in the PNW
          

Ted Larson
 

Regarding 

 if your computer, like mine, no longer has a CD/DVD drive. 

I bought a USB disk drive for issues such as this. 




--
Ted Larson
trainweb.org/mhrr/        --------        NASG.org        --------        https://www.nasg.org/Clubs/RegionsMinnesota.php
GN in 1965

James Brewer
 

David,

Here is a link to NWHS archives based on a search of "Viking."  It appears several classes of N&W boxcars had Viking roofs; also note the first entry provides the numbers for the NKP cars.

https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/listdocs/select.php?index=search&Searchword=Viking

Jim

Tim O'Connor
 


model of same

On 1/12/2023 7:49 PM, Don Burn wrote:

Add to the list 

MEC 5000 to 6003 which were 1923 A.R.A. All Steel Boxcars with early Viking roofs.

Don Burn

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Dave Wetterstroem
 

I am researching the C&O rebuilt single door 12392-12999, 13000-13135 & double door box cars 12000-12168,13558-13828. These cars were built with 2 different roofs depending on the series. Some were Murphy Radial while others are Viking roofs. They were originally built for the Hocking Valley in 1924-1925. I have a number of photos of these cars that show either radial or flat roofs, but none showing the the actual Viking roof from above.

What I am wondering is when did the Viking corrugated roofs come out?

Would these have been an earlier Viking roof as shown in these pages from the 1925 Car Builder Cyclopedia?



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