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War Emergency Hoppers
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ibs4421@...
Yeah, what Ted said!
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Warren Dreaming one day of modeling the Paris Shops on the Memphis Line
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From: "Ted Culotta" <ted@electroneconomy.com> To: <STMFC@egroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 4:21 PM Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: War Emergency Hoppers I can only comment on the Eastern cars (L&N, B&O, C&O, etc.), but, incoal drags from the B&O, C&O, L&N, N&W, VGN, they are long strings of cars onlyan N&W hopper drag contains only N&W cars, with maybe one VGN or C&O carmixed in - modelers who put an N&W loco followed by hoppers from a number ofwere either to serve on line customers or to move coal to bulk shipment pointsthe Great Lakes via other roads' rails - these cars would then almost alwaysbe promptly returned to the N&W to go back to the mines). Some of these carsbut the Anthracite roads' (CNJ, RDG, Erie, D&H, LV, LNE) cars were morecommonly seen offline in the Eastern US than their bituminous carrying cousins.
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Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
Shawn wrote:
I hate to ask a neophyte question, but how far wouldAt the risk of starting a fire where none is needed ;^) I'm not sure that your last statement is all that accurate...after all, if N&W hoppers made it as far as SHerman Hill...<duck> Really, although I would expect a higher percentage on "home rails" I would not term these cars "captive". I would expect to see C&O and B&O cars on the PRR for example, and yes, there are plenty of photos of N&W cars on the PRR (and not just through trains of hoppers). However, one thing to consider is that these cars probably do not represent major classes for most of these roads and therefore should be outnumbered by memebers of the major classes by a significant margin. Happy Rails Bruce Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. Scott-Ritchey Research Center 334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax) http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ____________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|____________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0
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Shawn,
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Hoppers in coal service, by and large, are somewhat captive, but not always so. Steve Johnson, my L&N/NC&StL/TC Sensei, and I were discussing this one day. I had bought a set of TC hoppers and was wondering just how much they would have been seen on L&N and NC&StL rails. Steve provided me with a list of railroads that he had records for the TC hoppers being interchanged with, it was quite extensive considering! Steve has collected a lot of photos of freight cars over the years, and told me he had one for an L&N twin bay hopper in Calif., and two Reading hoppers in an L&N coal drag. I'm a person that advocates reproducing/replicating the commonplace, not the exception. However, we often hear "there is a prototype for everything", and to a degree it's true. I plan on one day modleing an early 50's L&N coal drag of 50+ hoppers. the great majority of those cars will be L&N, but a few NC&StL and TC hoppers will be seen, and there might just be ONE oddball in the crowd. This, I think, is reasonable. Warren "This train goes down the Memphis Line!"
I hate to ask a neophyte question, but how far would
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Ted Culotta <ted@...>
I can only comment on the Eastern cars (L&N, B&O, C&O, etc.), but, in
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general, the large bituminous coal carrying roads of the Eastern US used their cars in basically captive service. If you look at any photos of coal drags from the B&O, C&O, L&N, N&W, VGN, they are long strings of cars only from those roads with a VERY rare off-road hopper in the mix (for example an N&W hopper drag contains only N&W cars, with maybe one VGN or C&O car mixed in - modelers who put an N&W loco followed by hoppers from a number of different roads are usually modeling a fictitious scene). These cars were either to serve on line customers or to move coal to bulk shipment points (the N&W loaded coal onto ocean freighters at Norfolk, VA and points on the Great Lakes via other roads' rails - these cars would then almost always be promptly returned to the N&W to go back to the mines). Some of these cars would make it off line to other roads' rails, such as in the Northeast, but the Anthracite roads' (CNJ, RDG, Erie, D&H, LV, LNE) cars were more commonly seen offline in the Eastern US than their bituminous carrying cousins. Richard and others will have to help you with the Western cars, although comparatively, there were few hoppers west of Chicago.
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From: Beckert, Shawn [mailto:shawn.beckert@disney.com] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:39 PM To: 'STMFC@egroups.com' Subject: [STMFC] Re: War Emergency Hoppers Hello List, I spent part of the weekend poring over Ed Hawkins' article in RMJ concerning the War Emergency hoppers as modeled recently by Life-Like. To my regret, most of the photographs in the article don't give info as to where they were taken. I hate to ask a neophyte question, but how far would these hoppers have traveled in interchange? I've just assumed, judging by who owned these cars, that they were in coal service, and therefore captive on home rails. But I don't really know for sure, therefore the question. Would these cars have traveled far from home? Shawn Beckert To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@egroups.com
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Shawn Beckert
Hello List,
I spent part of the weekend poring over Ed Hawkins' article in RMJ concerning the War Emergency hoppers as modeled recently by Life-Like. To my regret, most of the photographs in the article don't give info as to where they were taken. I hate to ask a neophyte question, but how far would these hoppers have traveled in interchange? I've just assumed, judging by who owned these cars, that they were in coal service, and therefore captive on home rails. But I don't really know for sure, therefore the question. Would these cars have traveled far from home? Shawn Beckert
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