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War Emergency Hoppers


ibs4421@...
 

Yeah, what Ted said!

Warren
Dreaming one day of modeling the Paris Shops on the Memphis Line

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Culotta" <ted@electroneconomy.com>
To: <STMFC@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 4:21 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: War Emergency Hoppers


I can only comment on the Eastern cars (L&N, B&O, C&O, etc.), but, in
general, the large bituminous coal carrying roads of the Eastern US used
their cars in basically captive service. If you look at any photos of
coal
drags from the B&O, C&O, L&N, N&W, VGN, they are long strings of cars only
from those roads with a VERY rare off-road hopper in the mix (for example
an
N&W hopper drag contains only N&W cars, with maybe one VGN or C&O car
mixed
in - modelers who put an N&W loco followed by hoppers from a number of
different roads are usually modeling a fictitious scene). These cars
were
either to serve on line customers or to move coal to bulk shipment points
(the N&W loaded coal onto ocean freighters at Norfolk, VA and points on
the
Great Lakes via other roads' rails - these cars would then almost always
be
promptly returned to the N&W to go back to the mines). Some of these cars
would make it off line to other roads' rails, such as in the Northeast,
but
the Anthracite roads' (CNJ, RDG, Erie, D&H, LV, LNE) cars were more
commonly
seen offline in the Eastern US than their bituminous carrying cousins.

Richard and others will have to help you with the Western cars, although
comparatively, there were few hoppers west of Chicago.

-----Original Message-----
From: Beckert, Shawn [mailto:shawn.beckert@disney.com]
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:39 PM
To: 'STMFC@egroups.com'
Subject: [STMFC] Re: War Emergency Hoppers


Hello List,

I spent part of the weekend poring over Ed Hawkins'
article in RMJ concerning the War Emergency hoppers
as modeled recently by Life-Like. To my regret, most
of the photographs in the article don't give info as
to where they were taken.

I hate to ask a neophyte question, but how far would
these hoppers have traveled in interchange? I've just
assumed, judging by who owned these cars, that they
were in coal service, and therefore captive on home
rails. But I don't really know for sure, therefore the
question. Would these cars have traveled far from home?

Shawn Beckert

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Shawn wrote:

I hate to ask a neophyte question, but how far would
these hoppers have traveled in interchange? I've just
assumed, judging by who owned these cars, that they
were in coal service, and therefore captive on home
rails.
At the risk of starting a fire where none is needed ;^) I'm not sure that
your last statement is all that accurate...after all, if N&W hoppers made
it as far as SHerman Hill...<duck>

Really, although I would expect a higher percentage on "home rails" I would
not term these cars "captive". I would expect to see C&O and B&O cars on
the PRR for example, and yes, there are plenty of photos of N&W cars on the
PRR (and not just through trains of hoppers). However, one thing to
consider is that these cars probably do not represent major classes for
most of these roads and therefore should be outnumbered by memebers of the
major classes by a significant margin.

Happy Rails
Bruce

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ibs4421@...
 

Shawn,
Hoppers in coal service, by and large, are somewhat captive, but
not always so. Steve Johnson, my L&N/NC&StL/TC Sensei, and I were
discussing this one day. I had bought a set of TC hoppers and was wondering
just how much they would have been seen on L&N and NC&StL rails. Steve
provided me with a list of railroads that he had records for the TC hoppers
being interchanged with, it was quite extensive considering! Steve has
collected a lot of photos of freight cars over the years, and told me he had
one for an L&N twin bay hopper in Calif., and two Reading hoppers in an L&N
coal drag.
I'm a person that advocates reproducing/replicating the commonplace, not
the exception. However, we often hear "there is a prototype for
everything", and to a degree it's true. I plan on one day modleing an early
50's L&N coal drag of 50+ hoppers. the great majority of those cars will be
L&N, but a few NC&StL and TC hoppers will be seen, and there might just be
ONE oddball in the crowd. This, I think, is reasonable.

Warren
"This train goes down the Memphis Line!"

I hate to ask a neophyte question, but how far would
these hoppers have traveled in interchange? I've just
assumed, judging by who owned these cars, that they
were in coal service, and therefore captive on home
rails. But I don't really know for sure, therefore the
question. Would these cars have traveled far from home?

Shawn Beckert


Ted Culotta <ted@...>
 

I can only comment on the Eastern cars (L&N, B&O, C&O, etc.), but, in
general, the large bituminous coal carrying roads of the Eastern US used
their cars in basically captive service. If you look at any photos of coal
drags from the B&O, C&O, L&N, N&W, VGN, they are long strings of cars only
from those roads with a VERY rare off-road hopper in the mix (for example an
N&W hopper drag contains only N&W cars, with maybe one VGN or C&O car mixed
in - modelers who put an N&W loco followed by hoppers from a number of
different roads are usually modeling a fictitious scene). These cars were
either to serve on line customers or to move coal to bulk shipment points
(the N&W loaded coal onto ocean freighters at Norfolk, VA and points on the
Great Lakes via other roads' rails - these cars would then almost always be
promptly returned to the N&W to go back to the mines). Some of these cars
would make it off line to other roads' rails, such as in the Northeast, but
the Anthracite roads' (CNJ, RDG, Erie, D&H, LV, LNE) cars were more commonly
seen offline in the Eastern US than their bituminous carrying cousins.

Richard and others will have to help you with the Western cars, although
comparatively, there were few hoppers west of Chicago.

-----Original Message-----
From: Beckert, Shawn [mailto:shawn.beckert@disney.com]
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:39 PM
To: 'STMFC@egroups.com'
Subject: [STMFC] Re: War Emergency Hoppers


Hello List,

I spent part of the weekend poring over Ed Hawkins'
article in RMJ concerning the War Emergency hoppers
as modeled recently by Life-Like. To my regret, most
of the photographs in the article don't give info as
to where they were taken.

I hate to ask a neophyte question, but how far would
these hoppers have traveled in interchange? I've just
assumed, judging by who owned these cars, that they
were in coal service, and therefore captive on home
rails. But I don't really know for sure, therefore the
question. Would these cars have traveled far from home?

Shawn Beckert

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Shawn Beckert
 

Hello List,

I spent part of the weekend poring over Ed Hawkins'
article in RMJ concerning the War Emergency hoppers
as modeled recently by Life-Like. To my regret, most
of the photographs in the article don't give info as
to where they were taken.

I hate to ask a neophyte question, but how far would
these hoppers have traveled in interchange? I've just
assumed, judging by who owned these cars, that they
were in coal service, and therefore captive on home
rails. But I don't really know for sure, therefore the
question. Would these cars have traveled far from home?

Shawn Beckert