wooden matchsticks...


Ray Hutchison
 

I hoping that someone might be able to tell me what HO scale size a wooden matchstick might be?  In addition to modeling scrap wood for lumber cars, I'm wondering about stakes for gondola loads and the like-they are too large for the pockets on Central Valley and other models, but maybe if they are split in half?  (I'm not certain I'm getting a good reading from my HO scale ruler, and/or my eyes may not be picking it up correctly.)  

Thank you,

Ray Hutchison
Green Bay WI


al_brown03
 

Measuring a stick from the nearest box, it's about 10" x 10" in HO.

Hth,

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


akerboomk
 

Note the bottom end of stakes could be “tapered” to fit into a pocket on a flat car or gon.

But probably they would start with something a bit closer to size than a 10x10”?


--
Ken Akerboom


Ray Hutchison
 

... in other words they would have to be quartered to make them anywhere nears usable.  would have been a better project back in december or january!


Tim O'Connor
 


10" x 10" in HO ??? That's a BIG match stick! Most of them are far smaller.

But the cheapest source by far is TOOTHPICKS. They come in a variety of sizes and shapes
e.g. flattened, square, round, and fancy.


On 6/1/2021 12:17 PM, Ray Hutchison wrote:
... in other words they would have to be quartered to make them anywhere nears usable.  would have been a better project back in december or january!
_


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


kevinhlafferty
 

I just measured a few samples from a box of Diamond Kitchen matches, they vary between .085 and .100 with most being about .094. .094 would approximate an 8 x 8 (actual dimension is about 8.17 scale inches, close enough for government work).

 

Kevin L.

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10" x 10" in HO ??? That's a BIG match stick! Most of them are far smaller.

But the cheapest source by far is TOOTHPICKS. They come in a variety of sizes and shapes
e.g. flattened, square, round, and fancy.


On 6/1/2021 12:17 PM, Ray Hutchison wrote:

... in other words they would have to be quartered to make them anywhere nears usable.  would have been a better project back in december or january!

_

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Brian Carlson
 

Why bother with matchsticks when scale lumber is readily available? 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jun 1, 2021, at 10:40 PM, kevinhlafferty <khlafferty@...> wrote:



I just measured a few samples from a box of Diamond Kitchen matches, they vary between .085 and .100 with most being about .094. .094 would approximate an 8 x 8 (actual dimension is about 8.17 scale inches, close enough for government work).

 

Kevin L.

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2021 11:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] wooden matchsticks...

 


10" x 10" in HO ??? That's a BIG match stick! Most of them are far smaller.

But the cheapest source by far is TOOTHPICKS. They come in a variety of sizes and shapes
e.g. flattened, square, round, and fancy.


On 6/1/2021 12:17 PM, Ray Hutchison wrote:

... in other words they would have to be quartered to make them anywhere nears usable.  would have been a better project back in december or january!

_

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Douglas Harding
 

Or just shave down the match sticks, just as the real loggers shaved down poles till they fit.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Why bother with matchsticks when scale lumber is readily available? 

Brian J. Carlson 



On Jun 1, 2021, at 10:40 PM, kevinhlafferty <khlafferty@...> wrote:



I just measured a few samples from a box of Diamond Kitchen matches, they vary between .085 and .100 with most being about .094. .094 would approximate an 8 x 8 (actual dimension is about 8.17 scale inches, close enough for government work).

 

Kevin L.

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2021 11:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] wooden matchsticks...

 


10" x 10" in HO ??? That's a BIG match stick! Most of them are far smaller.

But the cheapest source by far is TOOTHPICKS. They come in a variety of sizes and shapes
e.g. flattened, square, round, and fancy.


On 6/1/2021 12:17 PM, Ray Hutchison wrote:

... in other words they would have to be quartered to make them anywhere nears usable.  would have been a better project back in december or january!

_

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Mark Vinski
 

Most stakes on flatcars or gondolas use 4"x 4" wood although there are plenty of exceptions.

Mark Vinski 


Jim Betz
 

Hi all,
  I made a study of "flat car stakes" - using photos - because I was researching
how to do lumber loads.  Here are my conclusions based upon that study:

  1) Logging RRs used "what ever piece of wood was closest that did the job".
      Usually this was a limb/trunk of a small tree that was 'trimmed' at the
      end to fit in the stake pocket.  And, they were hauling "trees" not 
      milled lumber.

  2) Although it did happen from time to time - for the most part loaded cars
      on logging RRs were not handed off to a Class 1.  Other than "after the
      mill" when milled lumber was being shipped out.

  3) The stakes on the flat cars on the Class 1 RRs that were loaded with
       dimensional number - almost always - used milled lumber materials.
      If the load was going long distances such as across the country then
      the load restraints (stacks, etc.) were "more substantial" and even
      were done according to "standard practices".  (They were not simply
      stakes stuck in a pocket along the side of the car.)  Sometimes,
      especially later, the load would be covered with tarps or even later
      (after the era of this list) were in "shed packs" (plastic wrap).

  We have seen many examples of both types here on STMFC over the
years.
                                                                                                - Jim


Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 07:42 AM, Jim Betz wrote:
  I made a study of "flat car stakes" - using photos - because I was researching
how to do lumber loads.  Here are my conclusions based upon that study:
What would be really useful would be some actual dimensions. The MCB Recommended Practice, adopted 1905 and revised 1917, published in the 1922 CBC calls for interior dimensions 4" wide X 5". This would leave room for a wedge when a 4x4 was used., or if using a 4x6, the end could be tapered so as to be self tightening. These are the dimensions for the old cast iron stake pockets, although I don't think the sized changed much when stake pockets started being made of pressed steel.

Dennis Storzek